Fighting a stupid law

I live in Long Beach, CA which is very cite-happy when it comes to enforcing ticky-tack laws. Basically, I moved my girlfriend’s car onto the lawn so I could leave for work as there were no spots on the street. Within the 2 hours before she left for work, the car was cited for illegal private property parking. I looked up the codes and it’s there since parking on the front lawn is considered a public nuisance.

On principal (and because I’m an asshole), I want to fight this as a eminent domain claim, i.e. that restricting use of a a person’s property other than for reasons of health or safety must be compinsated for. I remember a case like this when the State of Washington was successfully sued for recompense when they declared some guy’s property wetlands and restricted his ability to build on it. It’s my property - I should be able to park on the front yard if it doesn’t hurt anyone.

In the bigger picture, can a city pass ANY law they want under the guise of “public nuisance”? I mean, if the LBC passes a law saying “No red flowers are allowed to be viewed from the street.” would it be constitutional?

Do some research on “regulatory taking.” But with your particular case, I do not see any way you have any chance of winning. I mean it is not even close to being a close case.

You will have no luck with your claim based on imminent domain. The statute does not deprive you of any significant value of your property which isn’t even the standard but it’s close enough. The takings clause makes no exception for health or safety either. If the gov’t “takes” (this is a term of art and does not mean what you think it means) private property for public use it must compensate the owner. Thousands of cases have held that zoning and other restrictions are not necessarily “Takings” unless they deprive the owner of virtually all economic value. Gfactor will be along with a bunch of links shortly…

I like laws like this one. There is a community not far from where I live that does not have such a statute and every frickin other house looks like a junk yard with dilapidated junkers all over the place. I realize your situation was different but we have to put up with some bs laws because we are surrounded by inconsiderate jerks.

As far as it being your property, keep in mind that your property is in our community. You have rights but so do we. Cars parked on lawns tends to lower property values and are a nuisance.

I would say that you have exactly zero chance of winning a case like this, but IANAL. However, given the circumstances of the case, you have a better than fair chance of having the citation dismissed or at least the fine reduced, just by stating your case to the judge. Take pictures of your lawn to show that it is not a habitual parking space, explain that it was a one time occurence, you were unaware of the ordinance and it won’t happen again, yadda, yadda, yadda.

See generally, http://realtytimes.com/rtnews/rtcpages/20000928_condemnation.htm

and http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=503&invol=519

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So how far can the “public nuisance” claim go? Could a city ban red flowers claiming a public nuisance?

I understand about the community rights but I’m more concerned about the enforcement aspect. Understand that this is a city that gave me a warning under the same “public nuisance” section that they could cite me for having bags of landscaping debris in public view. Ummmmm . . . the bags were there because I was trimming the bushes at time.

That’s messed up- how on earth does parking on your own lawn qualify as a “Public Nuisance” unless the car in question is a rusted Ford Cortina with no engine?

In answer to the question posed by the OP about red flowers, the answer is, Yes, they could ban all showing of red flowers if they wanted to. They wouldn’t even have to cite the idea of “public nuisance” if they didn’t want to. All they would have to do is assert that there was some conceivable rational relationship between banning red flowers and some perceived social ill they intended to remedy. Once they’ve done that, the courts are out of the game, under our current set-up for review of state actions on a substantive basis.

Why would you want it any other way? Yes, this law is upsetting to you, but if this law could be set aside as unconsitutional, so could several laws that you undoubtedly do like. And, truth be told, you do like this one, though you may not know it, for much the reason that askeptic noted, the otherwise quite unlovely landscape that develops where such laws don’t exist.

PS: askeptic, he’s not going to go anywhere with “imminent” domain except to a dictionary, I would hope. :wink:

Because it’s a lot easier to enforce “no parking on the lawn” than to enforce “no parking a rusted junker on the lawn” because every single time you ticket someone for law #2, you get into a big argument about the car.

So would parking a rusted junker anywhere be OK? What about the drive?

Not sure if it makes any difference, but in my area, you legally can’t park on the lawn for two reasons. In my city it’s becuase they don’t want oil or other car fluids dripping into the earth. In my neighboring city it’s because they’re worried that if people start parking on their lawn, the lawn will turn into a mud pit (ugly).
BTW, I’ve parked on the lawn many times without a problem, and I have three cops living within 100 feet of my house.

In some area this is resolved by making a distinction between a currently registered & inspected vehicle vs. all others.

Right - the ususal story is that these ordinances are enforced rather loosely. Park a well-maintained car on your lawn for the weekend: no problem. A junker for a month: guaranteed citation.

With that “Ummmmm”, you don’t sound very sure of yourself.

I had a Fiat 600 that did not work, parked next to my one-car garage for, oh, 6 months or so. I was told by the police-- undoubtedly after the neighbor complained-- that it needed to be removed from view, as it was non operational. So, in my case, though there were a few rust spots, the deciding factor was that it did not start. I believe the tags were exp, too.

You are confusing two separate inquiries:

  1. What provisions does this legislative body have the power to pass? The answer to this question will require reference to state constitutional and municipal charter documents and the relevant cases in order to determine what powers the body was given.

  2. What limits does the U.S. Consitution impose on those powers? The Bill of Rights, as applied to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment imposes a few. The First Amendment protects certain activities, and the Fifth Amendment imposes some procedural protections (due process and compensation for takings for public use). With respect to takings, it’s important to understand that not all takings count. For example, if your home gets searched and they find your basement pot plantation, you aren’t getting paid for the plants when they confiscate them. Since 1922, the Supreme Court has recognized that some regulations may constitute takings but it has waffled about which ones count. The most recent explanation of the test is in Lucas, which says:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&court=US&case=/us/505/1003.html

The Court also explained its previous cases on “noxious use”:

And then restated the test:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&court=US&case=/us/505/1003.html (Emphasis added in various quotes).

So you’ve got to show that the regulation in question:

  1. Deprived you of all economically beneficial use
    2.With a new kind of regulation that imposes new restrictions on use of the property.

I don’t think you’ve got a chance under federal constitutional law. Your state law may offer you more options.

I thought they sounded quite sure of themselves, and that the “ummmm” was meant sarcastically towards whoever told them that the trimmings were a nuisance even though they were actively engaged in landscaping and trimming activities in their yard.

In our neighborhood, the problems are stemming from fly-by-nightish auto repair shops that stash their projects on residential streets. As a result, on-street parking time limits are being actively enforced, as well as the state-wide stipulation that vehicles parked on public roads must bear evidence of being currently registered. eg: plates and current tabs. I believe they’ve also dusted off a requirement that vehicles must be generally complete, (Not sure on the exact wording, but it’s an anti-junker law) thus prohibiting the body shops from parking cars on our street if they’re missing major body parts like fenders and doors.

Recalibrate your humor detector immediately. Apparently it fails to detect jokes.