To be fair if you look at the thread in question, Filmore’s contributions for the first 2/3 of the thread are entirely reasonable agreeing that Harris couldn’t be expected to remember her co-workers, and that what Trump has done is worse.
It starts going bad around post 282 where they talk about how Harris should handle it if Trump brings it up in the debate. At that point when people disagree Filmore digs in their heels starting to take more and more unreasonable positions trying to justify their previous stance. So they move from here simply saying, “here is a good debate tactic for Harris to take if/when Trump brings it up”, to, “Burger gate is a major scandal that must addressed or else the Harris campaign is doomed, and those who don’t agree are being willfully blind”.
It sort of reminds me of Magiver’s bending himself into pretzels, bringing up motorcycles being dropped out of helicopters out of helicopters to justify earlier statements that Clinton could have addressed the attack on Bengazi in a timely manner.
Sorry for any trouble. I wasn’t trolling. I feel that this election will be very tight and that every last vote will matter. It’s like filling a bucket drop by drop. Each drop doesn’t matter on it’s own, but lots and lots of drops fill the bucket. That’s how I see the voters this election. They are drops of voters and each one needs to be put in the bucket. I feel that there are some voters to be had by addressing the McD’s issue. Others don’t. I was enjoying the debate. I like the kind of back and forth, pedantic, hair splitting debates we have here. I’ve said in the past that we could have a thread about something like the Oxford comma which would end up with a 1000+ post flamewar and produce a few bans. The discussions can be very passionate, but I enjoy the way they allow us to closely examine foundational beliefs to deeply understand different perspectives and come to better understandings of various issues. Sometimes that may look like trolling, but I really was arguing in good faith. I appreciated the long and detailed post you made. I’m sorry if my reply offended you. I imagine that you, like me, might be anxious about this election. I sense my doggedly arguing for Harris to prove her work history might have touched a nerve. I hope that whatever negative feelings you have about it don’t last long. I hope I can assure you we are on the same side. I’m anxiously awaiting the election where I hope Harris will win and we can breathe a huge sigh of relief.
They actually seem to be insisting that Harris needs to provide proof that she worked there. They don’t appear to think that a snarky dismissal would do; but that she needs to come up with some sort of proof, such as tax records.
Ok, I guess I might have overreacted a tad. I may have some pent up frustration that came billowing out.
I’m highly dubious there could be anyone that knows nothing about Trump, his Presidency, and the legal issues he’s facing, yet somehow has heard about this and considers it a valid question that will influence their vote. If they are that out of touch, are they even going to vote?
I’m also dubious there are actual people that are independent and undecided and will hear this and think, “I sure hope Harris addresses this.” If they care one iota, especially if their source of info is internet savvy sources, then they will have searched to topic online. They will have discovered the source of the question starts with some observation she left her McDonald’s job off her resume when applying for law clerk positions after she graduated. Not much of a justification to doubt her.
And I’m dubious that there are people not limited to a right wing info bubble that will find this important enough to consider if it’s true. Or will see this one potential inaccuracy on the same footing with ANYTHING Donald Trump has done.
And if they are trapped in a right wing info loop, they are already voting for Trump, so showing she isn’t lying won’t win them over.
It’s nuts all around.
So for you, or anyone, to keep pushing that maybe there are voters that this matters to that will decide to vote for Harris if given proof is infuriating, because it seems to show a complete disregard for how people really are.
That’s part of what’s so infuriating about this whole election. The fact that Trump is a lying, manipulative, vile, self-centered ass is baked in. “He’s just that way. It’s his personality.” He gets a free pass on billions of things that any one withdrawal tank the career of any other politician, especially a democrat. But Harris utter one word that is not 100% verifiable with the evidence to back it up, and she might lose support.
Yeah, I could see that.
Thank you for sincerely addressing my post. It would have been easy to dismiss this thread and keep doing what you were in the other thread. I really don’t think there’s any more value to discussing that point, unless you can produce some credible person that it would matter to. Not necessarily a specific named person, but a type of person that is described enough to show how they could exist.
No, they specifically said something like how she responded to the question about her race would be fine. And they’ve approved of several snarky putdowns that reverse this and attack Trump.
The person who talked about needing to get proof was @PhillyGuy. He frustrated me as well (and often does in these threads). But I kinda compromised with him saying that she should be prepared if she needs to deal with this, but that I think it is unlikely.
The level of animosity is weird, since nothing we say is going to in any way impact what Kamala does, and her campaign knows more about what to do than we do. @Loach had it right: we are inevitably in our own bubble to some degree. Even if I do follow MAGA Twitter a bit, that doesn’t mean it’s not spreading elsewhere.
(Though they are currently arguing that Haitians are killing people’s pet cats and ducks. And Trump and Republican congresspeople are going along with it. I’m more concerned that will come in the debate, myself.)
Yep, this is what I was going to say. If there is some tiny subset of voters who could be swayed over the line with an explanation or proof from Kamala, then she should do it, according to filmore’s thinking. It’s not a crazy idea. I don’t particularly agree, but it’s within the realm of possible.
Yeah, the aggressive way you ask that really makes me want to put you on ignore. You’re awfully demanding. You seem to be unable to have a normal conversation with someone who disagrees with you.
I just have this feeling that even if I had served it up with a cup of Earl Grey and some macarons I would have gotten the same non-response. “I would have told you, but you didn’t ask me just right so I won’t!” is nothing new here…but to try to pull it off in The BBQ Pit of all places is just cute beyond words, I declare.
In my case it was because I went to bed and then to work for 8+ hours. So no, not everyone answers your demands on your schedule. Also I dislike Earl Grey. Macarons might have helped.
People who took that advice won’t show up, because we don’t post in the thread in question.
When I saw the thread, it already had a couple dozen posts from people saying, essentially, “I worked at a fast food joint decades ago and no way could I prove it - I don’t have photos, I don’t remember anyone’s names (much less have lasting on-the-job friends), and I really doubt a MickeyD’s franchise has records going back that far.”
Since that is exactly what I, a McDonald’s employee for about 7 or 8 months circa 1979-80, would say, I didn’t add a “me-too” post. There may be many of us.
No, I answered you in post #26. BigT said essentially what I was going to say, so I just quoted him rather than repeat the same thing. filmore had no obligation to respond to your demand because it had no bearing on what he was saying.
It touched my Who The Fuck Cares nerve. How is burger flipping relevant to her qualifications as president? I’ve left irrelevant jobs off my resume too.
