Final Fantasy IX strategy guide is worthless

All right, so I eagerly awaited FF9, and told my husband that this was the ONE thing I wanted for Xmas. No, I don’t want jewelry or clothes, I want the latest Final Fantasy. And it’s a great game, so far. I only play about 10 hours a week, so it’s lasting me a good long time. The story’s interesting, the combat system is great, the characters are rich in detail, and the graphics…well, the graphics are overwhelming.

It is my habit to pick up the strategy guide to RPGs when I obtain the games, because I play them slowly, and by the time I NEED the guide, it’s probably long gone. So I bought the strategy guide after Xmas. I got stumped on a sub boss a couple of nights ago, so I turned to the book.

Basically, the book is worthless. For ANY useful information, you are directed to go to Playonline, which means that instead of checking a book at the PSX, I need to kick someone off the computer in my house. And I’m reluctant to do so, since my daughter uses it for college homework and my husband uses it for business. Neither of them use it for recreation, as I do. What’s more, if the computer IS available, it’s impossible to get into the Playonline site. I registered some weeks ago, and received my confirmation email. However, the login and password didn’t work last night. I tried several times, even cutting and pasting the login and password. No good.

I advise AGAINST buying the Bradygames strategy guide for Final Fantasy IX. Go to Gamefaqs.com, or another gamers’ online guide. Don’t spend your money on the Bradygames book.

Incidentally, since registering at Playonline, I’ve received a lot more spam than usual. It might be coincidence. But I don’t think that it is.

Yes, I’m ROYALLY pissed off. I feel that I’ve spent my money on something that is virtually worthless. Learn from my experience.

Disgusted Lynn
From: “support” <support@squaresoft.com> Save Address - Block Sender
To: “Lynn Bodoni” <lynnbodoni@hotmail.com> Save Address
Subject: Re: Final Fantasy IX guide
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:53:18 -0800
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Dear Lynn:

Thank you for your feedback on our recently published FINAL FANTASY IX Official Strategy Guide. This guide takes a new direction due largely to consumer feedback on previous strategy guides. A great deal of comments we’ve received in the past suggested that strategy guides often reveal plot
spoilers and provide too much of a “hand-holding” walkthrough. Many consumers felt that much of the satisfaction gained by self-discovery in an RPG was lost by using such guides. BradyGAMES and SQUARESOFT decided to try
and address gamers’ concerns with the release of this new and innovative guide.

It’s important to note, however, that our guide will lead players through the game in its entirety without relying upon the online strategy guide at PlayOnline.com. It covers every aspect of the game with the goal in mind of providing our readers with the necessary information, but without having to “hold their hand” every step of the way. The PlayOnline call-outs are simply references that will provide additional hints, tips, or strategy to supplement what is currently in the strategy guide.

As always, we are glad to hear any feedback you may have on this matter and we thank you for your continued support of SQUARESOFT.

Caroline
Customer Support Rep.
SQUARESOFT
----- Original Message -----
From: “Lynn Bodoni” <lynnbodoni@hotmail.com>
To: <BradyQuestions@bradygames.com>; <support@squaresoft.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:15 AM
Subject: Final Fantasy IX guide
> I despise the new FF9 guide. It is only a very basic overview, and for any
> USEFUL information, I am directed to the “Playonline” site. It is not at
> all convenient for me to pause my game, drop my game controller and get
> online when I find myself absolutely confounded by an area or puzzle. In
> the future, I believe that I will buy only UNAUTHORIZED game strategies, if
> this is how Brady guides will be written in the future. When I buy a
> strategy guide, I expect it to stand alone for the most part. It seems that
> 90% of the information I want or need is only available online.
>
> I generally buy each Final Fantasy (or other Square RPG) game as it comes
> out, and I buy the strategy guide when I pick up the game. Usually I try to
> finish the game without opening the guide, and then I replay it, to get the
> items and areas I missed the first time. This will not be the case any
> longer. I will still buy the games, but I will NOT be picking up Brady
> guides automatically. I do not like the Play Online feature, as it is yet
> another login and password that I have to remember, and it’s very
> inconvenient to drop everything, look up my login and password, and then go
> to the online area. I’ll just go to gamefaqs, I’m sure that the information
> is there, and is much more accessible.
>
> In short, Bradygames, you have lost a customer. I doubt that I will EVER
> purchase another one of your game guides, unless you make this purchase
> right for me, by sending me a COMPLETE hardcopy guide of the game strategy.
> This means that I want, in hardcopy, all the information that is available
> through the Keywords at Playonline.
>
> Demographics: I’m female, 43, the main game purchaser in the household, the
> main game player in the household, I buy every Square RPG that comes out
> (and until recently, every Bradygames guide to the games as well), and my
> household income is over $75K a year. In the past, I’ve been the monitor
> for online message boards about console games, and it’s possible that I will
> be one again.
>
> Lynn Bodoni

Um wow…

[sub]sending massive amounts of chocolate and vowing never to piss you off[/sub]
Seriously though…the way you use the guides is how I wish I had the self-control to use them. I hope you get a satisfactory resolution from this, and if I knew how to defeat the evil sub boss, I’d tell you.
[sub]Really I would…can I go now? good, thanks for your infinate patience and HEY have you lost weight???..bye…whisk[/sub]

Hey Lynn I feel your pain. I just bought that not to long ago and when I got stumped on a part it took me about 2 1/2 hours of searching on the internet to find a walkthrough that went past the first disc. Talk about tickin’ me off! Oh well I shouldn’t be playing any I mean I do have college homework and stuff to do…

Lynn, have I ever told you how awed and respectful I am at your gameplaying? I’ve probably meant to say it before in the number of game threads to come before but forgot.

Anyway, I noticed a trend in recent years for Strategy Guides and such to simply become large, expensive picture books… flip through your book and count the number of Anime drawings of characters and/or scenes on each page (I haven’t even seen the book, and I’m guessing that half the book is composed of images that appear nowhere in the game).

Squaresoft’s best game was Final Fantasy 3 (6 in Japan). No offense to them, but their stuff went downhill for a while after that…

Damn, am I glad I heard about this before got the game, let alone the guide. From the sounds of everyone I know who bought the thing, I’d have gotten so frustrated with the guide, I wouldn’t have finished the game.

Thing is, apparently Square never even wanted to do a strategy guide. Too bad they changed their minds. :stuck_out_tongue:

(BTW, about the playonline/spam thing - it’s a coincidence -I get maybe 2-3 peices of spam a week, consistantly since I’ve been using this internet account, no change after registering at playonline just after X-mas.)

I jujst have to chime in and say thatI agree with the op totally. This book just sucks ass. I bought the game and book for christmas for my kids but didn’t give them the book until a couple of weeks later.

Man was I humiliated when my 12 year old son whipped through the first three discs and I couldn’t get through the FIRST…even WITH the damn book. I have since given the book to the kids and they only bother to even use it to see what certain characters weapons, etc. are.

Currently, I’ve managed to beat the game - it only took me 3 months - and am stuck trying to figure out how to beat this damn boss called Ozma…I hate this fucking book…

If I buy a strategy guide, it’s usually just for the art inside (like Capcom’s oh so beautiful Street Fighter Alpha art), but I rarely buy them. Half the books are character bios/backgrounds (taken right out of the instruction booklet), story, item list, etc. (most of which is in the instruction book already), then a few maps of the levels (usually for games where you can obtain maps of levels within the level), and codes that are already on every site about the game on the net.

I bought an issue of PSM with an FF9 strategy guide section in it, and while I haven’t read all of it (did FF9 without the strategy guide, but I missed a lot, so I’m a poop…I can’t play through an RPG more than once though, heh…it’s just so boring to me the second time through), it seems to be a good “use this against this boss, find this item here for later, etc.” type guide. It cost just the price of the magazine and I got a bunch of other good reading material inside. Of course, then you have to wait for them to put together a strategy guide, but…

Just stick with gamefaqs.com…you can find stuff on ANY game there, heh…

SPOOFE: No idea if you’ve played it yet, but FF9 is actually pretty good, heh…I was losing faith in Square after playing FF7 and 8 (nice games, but not nice Final Fantasy games…), but FF9 was a nice big sigh of relief. Even though I hate Amano’s character designs (grumble grumble)…

  • Tsugumo (I didn’t intend to make this post this long, heh…)

Lynn, I think your first mistake was requesting FF9 in the first place.

Look, the graphics are amazing. I won’t dispute that. The controls handle well and the story is, well, somewhat interesting.

But like most games out there, it has designated save points (once I went 50 minutes between saves), there’s no way to skip through scenes when you’re repeating, and the challenges and monsters are fairly easy, IMO.

Also, the game is a movie. That’s all it is, a glorified movie.
:20 minutes of story telling as the characters move about the screen:
Oh! Here’s a monster. OK, press button A. Good job!
:20 minutes of story telling as the characters move about the screen:

Cut the strings already and let us play the game! I long for the simplistic richness of FF1.

Yeah, those games are so simple I don’t see how you could possibly die in them. Like in legend of the dragoon, I chose the 3 weakest characters and never ever died except when I got bored and tried to die.

As for actually buying the book? Theres a reason why I have my computer sitting online right next to my tv:) I do get stumped occasionally by the games. Like your supposed to walk 2 feet further than I did and I backtrack half way across the world trying to figure out what I missed.

I feel so dirty for hijacking this further, but…

I agree with you about the Legend of Dragoon. To use a bit of slang, that defense move that lets you gain life is totally broken. You gain more than you lose through their attacks. You’re invincible!
I have used strategy guides in the past, but almost never to help me with the playing of the game. It’s usually those hidden side quests that no one in their right mind would be able to find without the strategy guide.

Being a big fan of RPG’s and action titles, I’ve noticed the trend that the strategy guides be stacked on shelves right next to the game, and even for the salesperson to “strongly suggest” purchasing the guide with the game. Makes me wonder if they get kickbacks.

Overall, the guides are pretty useless. The only one I can remember ever providing useful information was the magazine for BGII:SoA. Not saying that there are no other useful ones, just that of the games I’ve played with the accompanying guides, that is the only one that comes to mind.

I’ve found, that by and large, purchasing the guides are a complete waste of money because you can easily go to sites like: http://www.gamespy.com and do a search on the game to find links to fan pages with walkthroughs, or http://www.cheatingplanet.com/ for the cheats to get past the really really impossible bosses. Hell, if need be you can even ask Jeeves at http://www.ask.com. Just ask him, “where can I find hints for the popular game xxxx?” and he points you in the right direction.

Just say no to “Necessary Official Strategy Guides”!

I used to work at a Babbage’s, and no, we didn’t get kickbacks for selling the strategy guide. However, there was a company rule that at least 33% (or a similar number) of an employee’s sales had to include an “extra” item. An example of an “extra” would be a strategy guide, a memory card, or a controler.

If my MSTs (the “extra” thing was called an MST; I don’t remember what it stands for) dipped below the 33% mark for more than a few days at a time, I was in line for a talk with my boss. If they were down over an extended period of time, my future with Babbage’s might not have remained so bright and cheerful. If the whole sales staff slipped in MSTs, then that was occasion for a super-fun visit from the district manager. Keeping MSTs up and avoiding these social calls is a very big deal.

So we weren’t getting paid extra for selling the books along with the games, but if you bought it with the game instead of coming back for it later, we got the MST and got to keep our lives a little more hassle-free.

The whole concept of commercial stadegy guides is irritating–you pay the company extra so that you can finish the games in a third of the time and go buy another one sooner. Talk about a win-win situation for the vendor! It also allows game developers to get away with sloppy plotting–they don’t have to make a game solvable in it’s own terms, in fact it is better if they don’t.

The only advantage I see to stadegy guides is that they do help solve the casual gamer/obsesive gamer problem. A game that seems daunting and overly complicated to a casual gamer can seem easy and simplistic to someone who plays 40+ hours a week, and I suppose the exisitance of a stagedy guilde is a compromise posisiton. However, the same problems arise where one person wants handholding and another wants vauge hints and a third wants vauge hints except in this ONE irritating spot, damnit. gamers are so different, trying to find a system that makes one game fun for them all is almost impossible.

First off, You GET 'EM! TEACH THOSE CORPORATE ASSHOLES A LESSON!!!

I was one of the lucky few who obtained Final Fantasy IX when it first came out. I played through it, found it pretty interesting, but there were many things I was missing. (Seeing how I do consulting work, I will often have 1-2 week offtimes in between jobs) I brought that strategy guide w/o looking at it, hoping it could tell me.

Big Mistake. I did register w/PlayOnline, and it sucks. What they have to tell you isn’t all that imporant, and when it is important, they would have been better off leaving it in the damn guide.

I also normally never buy BradyGAMES guides, or Prima Games guides, 'cause both suck. I search for 3rd-party guides

If you are looking for a slight more challengiong game, and a very well done strategy guide, try Valkyrie Profile from Tri-Ace/Enix. The strategy guide, the one I have anyway, and I know it is one of the only ones out there, is expertly done. Everything explained, and it told you when to not look if you wanted to avoid spoiling the story.

This is a big step away from the Press (X) button, and kill enemy gameplay of the FF series, but if you are a die-hard gamer, and you sound like one, then you might like this.

Oh, for your amusement, here is a conversation I had with PlayOnline over this. But I was a lot less kinder. It also sounds like it was:

Tech Support Rep: “Uh, what do I say to this guy, boss?”

Tech Support Boss: “Send the S.O.B. the standard upset/complaint response letter!”

From: “support” <support@squaresoft.com>
To: “Alan C. Parson” <tuxedokamen@freeze.com>
Subject: Re: You guys are fucking assholes!
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001

Dear Alan,

Thank you for your feedback on our recently published FINAL FANTASY IX Official Strategy Guide. This guide takes a new direction due largely to consumer feedback on previous strategy guides. A great deal of comments we’ve received in the past suggested that strategy guides often reveal plot
spoilers and provide too much of a “hand-holding” walkthrough. Many consumers felt that much of the satisfaction gained by self-discovery in an RPG was lost by using such guides. BradyGAMES and SQUARESOFT decided to try
and address gamers’ concerns with the release of this new and innovative guide.

It’s important to note, however, that our guide will lead players through the game in its entirety without relying upon the online strategy guide at PlayOnline.com. It covers every aspect of the game with the goal in mind of providing our readers with the necessary information, but without having to “hold their hand” every step of the way. The PlayOnline call-outs are simply references that will provide additional hints, tips, or strategy to supplement what is currently in the strategy guide.

As always, we are glad to hear any feedback you may have on this matter and we thank you for your continued support of SQUARESOFT.

Robert
Customer Support Rep.
SQUARESOFT

I won’t write what I said to them… let’s just say that I should have gotten worse. Doesn’t this sound like some bullshit?

Also, Spoofe Bo, I agree with you. FF 3/6 was the best game. 7 didn’t do much, and the only amusing thing I found about 8 was the card game. About 9, it was an OK game, but Valkyrie Profile is better. I’m off to whoop the Iseria Queen in 3 rounds now, so talk to you all later!

GASP!!! How can you say that?!? 7 was groundbreaking and completely unbelievable. It had a damn good story line and the graphics at the time were pretty good, not to mention FMV’s in it. As for 8 story line got better, better graphics, the card game absolutely rocked, and it was just an out and out fun game. I think the main great things about these games are the fact that they are long enough if you play them over and over again they don’t get boring (at least to me anyways).

No it wasn’t. It used technology that was hardly uncommon, the story was “cookie-cutter” (my opinion and that of many others). It was a good game… but not very impactful.

The only notable thing about it was that it was one of the first CONSOLE games of it’s kind… and console games had always lagged greatly behind PC games until the 32- and 64-bit systems started appearing.

You can say that again. I mean, almost every FF game has the standard setup. The rogue hero/heroine, those who love him/her. Those who hate him/her. Those who don’t care, and some evil man who is only a puppet in another evil person’s larger scheme.

While the graphics were nice about 7, the story has been done. Also, FF8: Same plot, just better drawn characters and FMV sequences.

FF9: The game just resurrected the Ability system from FF5 and dressed it up for the new game. While it was interesting and amusing the first time around, it got tiring afterward.

The only plus side to any of them are the music. Nobuo Uematsu DOES compose wonderful music. I only play them to hear what he’s composed next.

:::applauds wildly:::

Thank you–that’s what I thought about FF7 & FF9 and now that I’m boredly meandering through FF8, I’m beginning to notice a pattern. Of course, since I spent $20 on the damn movie I can’t very well walk out.

But Lynn, if having trouble with one of the minor bosses is your only beef, you can go right here for a very good site for walkthroughs.

And might I recommend trying out Star Ocean: The Second Story while you’re at it–it works kind of like FF, but the characters are cooler, the abilities are done differently, and the battle is much more interactive & realistic. Probably the best game of the genre that I’ve found.

This is precisely how I generally use strategy guides. And it’s irritating to find that all the side quest hints are only available online.

I just checked, the Playonline guide is DOWN. Still.

That’s basically what I want. I want to immerse myself in another reality. I understand that this might not be what YOU want, and that’s fine, I don’t insist that everyone enjoy what I do. But it’s what I want from a game. That’s why I enjoy Final Fantasies.

Well, that’s not how I use them. I prefer to go through the game without opening the book on the first round. The only reason I looked in the book this time was because I didn’t KNOW that the thing was only a sub boss, and that I don’t need to kill it to finish the game.

blessedwolf, my beef is that I bought something, and I didn’t get what I paid for. Thanks for the site, by the way, but it doesn’t have a FF9 walkthrough, just cheats.

Bump because Lynn’s post made a Kotaku article. Congrats Lynn!

Edit: Oh geeze, I forgot she’s no longer with us =(