Flawed (but interesting) logic

Complicated, but the math is the same for -14+2 or simply -12.

Did you explain to her how it really works?

As opposed to what other method? Turning the Thermostat to 80 instead of 70: yes, the heater should work more. Turning the Thermostat to 80 instead of 90: less quick. From what temperature are you starting?

Still doesn’t answer the question.

I think the point being: If the house is at 65 degrees, and you want it to be 75 degrees, turning the thermostat to 75 or turning it to 80 will heat the house up to 75 in the same amount of time. Even turning the thermostat to 90 will take the same amount of time to heat the house to 75.

That’s why mine is set to 78-79 all year long!

Actually, that is what I experience when I enter my second flat. The Thermostat is low (13 C), and the walls are cold. I desire 20 C, but if I put in 22 C, it will heat stronger (trying to reach that temp. fast) than when I Input only 20. (Once the air is warm enough, I turn it down from 22 to 20).

The real Problem with thermostats is that they don’t measure how the human feels. They have one temp. sensor somewhere (at 5 feet?). The human inside the room is sitting still and feels cold after half an hour, whether it’s 19 or 20 C. Stone walls “emit cold” (yes, yes, I know: they suck up heat, and it takes Ages for Stone to warm enough to stop leeching - however, what it feels like is cold coming from the walls), so the air temp. in front of the sensor doesn’t help the human sitting 2 meters away Close to the wall Feeling cold. And so on.

I’m with you on this one manson. Based on the story that was told, the job wasn’t completed and the explanation was unnecessarily complicated/haughty.

The guy just wanted to know if the resistors were the same, and instead of answering the question he was given a too-smart-for-the-masses roundabout explanation.

Then you have a different heater than the ones I know. Usually they are programmed to reach the desired temp. as quickly as possible, so first turning to 80, wait until it reaches 75 and then turning down would be quicker than only turning to 75.

I haven’t stopped the time, but I know how hot the element gets depending on the Settings, yes, it varies. A hotter element will heat the room quicker than a luke-warm.

It’s a really weird way. Usually, you want to know if the Transistors are made by Company A and not a cheap Chinese knock-off for Quality reasons (which could ruin wherever you plan to put them into). But if the in-depth testing Shows they are of the same Quality, not worse, then the answer should be “they are the same Quality”, not the answer given.

If, on the other Hand, the Manager is worried about guarantees if he doesn’t use Transistors made by Company A, and thinks that he might get in Trouble down the line and be called out for not deducing that “suspicious markings must mean knockoff, and only use official markings”, then knowing whether they were made by Company A is as important as the Quality itself.

It still leaves open, if it’s so important, why not buy directly from Company A in the first place, since it’s possible (as shown with the second Batch?) Or contact Company A, explaining that you are worried you got knock-Offs, maybe they will tell you that markings opü mean it’s a licensed contractor, but the same Quality and guarantee? Was the possible savings worth the time spent on several tests??

I don’t know what Crafter_Man does for a living. In many applications, components are specified and substitutions are not allowed. If the specification calls for ‘resistors manufactured by AVX’, then exactly-identical ones not made by AVX would be disallowed. If the identical substitutes were used, and the component failed, then the company would be liable. Given what Crafter_Man posted, it seems to me that the question of whether the resistors were made by AVX is unanswerable. The only answer is ‘These resistors are identical in every way to AVX resistors, and they may actually be AVX resistors. But I cannot tell you in fact that they are AVX resistors. Whether to use them is above my pay grade.’

If that is the case, then yes, it would heat the room faster. Not sure if that is the case with standard US heaters though.

Then he probably shouldn’t have said “My job was to determine if these were really AVX resistors”

Holy crap, this makes 2 people in two different topics that have agreed with me! Must be because I’m on antibiotics.

How the hell was that a too-smart-for-the-masses explanation? It seemed absolutely clear, concise, and accurate what Crafter Man was saying.

What kind of heater do you have? A forced air furnance (pretty standard in the US) generates a single temperature of air. I’m guessing you’ve got some sort of electric heat? Even for that, what I’m familiar with in the US still has a single heat level (some portable room heaters may have a high/low setting, but that is independent of the thermostat setting AFAIK).

He wanted a simple yes/no answer.

The evidence does not support a simple yes-or-no answer.

To be fair, there is enough psychology and perception imbeddee in Stock prices that could actualy be true to an extent.

OK, so this conversation is better, eh?:


Supervisor: “So you proved the 35 suspect resistors are manufactured by AVX?”
Me: “No”

Supervisor: “So that means the 35 suspect resistors are not manufactured by AVX.”
Me: “No.”

Supervisor: “Huh?”
Me: “I simply didn’t see any differences between the 35 suspect resistors and the 10 new ones manufactured by AVX.”

Supervisor: “So that means the 35 suspect resistors are manufactured by AVX.”
Me: “No.”


I somehow don’t think that works better. The answers originally given are straightforward with full information necessary to meaningfully answer the question.

Author Stephen King tells the tale of meeting a woman at the grocery store who recognized him and said “I don’t like the scary things you write.”
King: What sort of writing do you like?
Lady: Uplifting things. Like The Shawshank Redemption.
King: I wrote that.
Lady sniffs and declares: No you did not

Proving "If the facts don’t support your opinion, the facts must be wrong.

Here’s one that I think is at least tangentially appropriate. It certainly bothers me. I mean, I really got irritated by this one.

Our local CVS is currently having some issues with their HVAC, and as such it’s just blazing hot in there all the time. This has been going on for a few weeks.

Their solution has been to bring in some large, rolling, temporary AC units spaced around the store. The problem is that they haven’t run the exhaust ports anywhere. There’s just a stub of an outlet on the top of the unit. So cold air pours out of the vents on the side, and even hotter air blasts out of the top. The net being that the temperature is being raised now, not lowered.

Check it out.

Why didn’t you just ask AVX?