The popular account of the bystander apathy during the Genovese murder was Fake News.
This NYT article disagrees with you.
Um, no it does not.
Huh? From your article:
You’re right. THAT is the act of a sociopath. And anyone who knew what happened and didn’t tell the pilot to turn about or grab a lifeboat to go after him was a total @$$#0le. Because the little dog was completely innocent and could have been saved.
Y’all, please don’t misunderstand me. If those kids could actually have helped, and didn’t, I’d be all over this, believe me. But they couldn’t. They didn’t handle it well, but they were kids, and high, and I don’t agree with pathologizing and criminalizing* that. When the man went under and didn’t come back, you could hear their pain.
*Except that they were high, and should be punished for the drug use.
Oh, and I am Celtling’s Mother, not her Father.
How do you explain their having posted the video online?
You’re probably better off not reading the comment section of said posted video . . .
I think oftentimes people may take false comfort in thinking the tail is wagging the dog.
I’ve always been suspicious about the bystander effect. I’ve seen the opposite far too many times for me to think it relates to my reality, which is inner city and the kind of place that you’d expect it to happen.
It’s also not relevant here since they were a group of people, not multiple disconnected people who might have thought someone else was helping.
Unlike others, I don’t want them to suffer in the court of the internet via notoriety about what they did because the results of that can be far more extreme than what they did merits.
Failing to report a death is relevant though, particularly since it exacerbated the suffering of those the deceased left behind and made it more difficult to assess his cause of death. They knew or at least thought they knew that he’d died and posted their video on social media so even if they’d been high enough to forget it at first they would have had quite a lot of reminders.
Forgive me if this has already been addressed, I just didn’t want to wade thru all the pages of this thread to find out: Why was this man in the water in the first place? Has that been determined?
Ambivalid: He had gotten into an argument with his girlfriend. One possibility is that he was feeling suicidal so walked into the pond, then realized he didn’t want to die–but it was too late.
Right now, that’s pure speculation, no?
WTF? A while ago, I spent all day to post a short video of my dogs playing on the lawn, and YouTube deleted it within an hour or so. I think it got 3 views.
Why was it removed at all if it was just dogs on the lawn?
I think perhaps an important element of the bystander effect may be peer pressure. To take an extreme example, if you look at something like Nazi Germany, there were plenty of people who knew it was wrong but went along with it out of fear or retribution or social censure. General diffusion of responsibility may be a real thing when it comes to roommates washing the dishes, but I think it’s a weaker influence in cases of life or death.
Just speculation on my part.
I don’t believe you. You’re not being nice. You are failing to hold it in. No one wants to listen to you. Go fuck a cactus.
Just wondering. If the kids had called 911, and the rescue squad got there too late to help, but the kids spent that time before the arrival of the squad mocking and laughing about what was happening, would that change your opinion of them in any way?
Because that sounds like something I would do. Because the guy in the pond was a dumbass.
The guy in the pond was a human being and deserved any and all help possible to save his life.
Fuck you.
If I saw big T fucking a cactus I would probably call 911, I definitely wouldn’t try to intervene on my own though.
Are you a psychopath? Are you completely lacking empathy for the suffering of that cactus?
So in your world, smoking weed is worse than watching and giggling at a man drowning? :dubious:
I understand you just fine.