Following the second wave (or not) in the US as the States open up

www.worldometers.info has a 252 for Florida today.

Last 7 days
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125
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186
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252

7 day average is 152.4.
7 day average per million is 7.09.

Hospitals are being overrun: Miami-Dade ICUs at 146% capacity with coronavirus patients, according to federal document

Also on Wednesday, the state’s Agency for Health Care Administration reported that 51 hospitals across the state had no ICU capacity whatsoever.

Nursing home case are rising alarmingly: COVID is leaking into Florida nursing homes as regulators allow exceptions

New infections among residents at long-term care facilities in Florida rose by 142% or 2,819 cases between July 1 and July 21, while the increase among staff rose 121% or 3,882 cases.

I hope you are right that things won’t get much worse in Florida. I fear you are wrong.

No you didn’t “simply” make an observation. You accused other posters of political motivations or being drawn in by media hype. Here is your quote:

You can scroll up and look for yourself if you don’t believe me. We all told you that your data analyzation techniques were poor, New Jersey was nothing to worry about, and Florida and Texas were in bad shape. Now that you know that we were right and you were wrong, maybe you can take a look back at the things we were saying and learn from that. Considering your most current prediction for Florida, I think you still don’t understand the trends.

Well, it’s not going to get better but it is a little weird to include today in your 7 day average.

How so?

Using the seven most recent data points for the seven day average seems like a pretty easily defensible thing to do, especially when I’m being crystal clear about what I’m doing.

I guess you could say that today’s 7-day avg is 141.1 while tomorrow’s will be 152.4, but I don’t know what we gain by that.

Why do I have explain this? The day isn’t over. Unless you’re taking the 3:15 EST numbers from 7 days ago, you aren’t doing a 7 day average.

I’m pretty sure the number Florida is going to report for 7/30 is 252. Different states do things differently, but Florida puts up a number once a day in the morning most days. Florida is most likely done for the day. Occasionally a small adjustment comes in later, but the final reported number is quite likely to be 252 or only slightly different than that. It’s very unlikely to be different enough to have much effect of the seven day average.

I didn’t know Florida posted numbers in the morning. When I pull state numbers I have to wait close to midnight to get a decent account from all of them.

252 wouldn’t be out of line for a Thursday given their trend. That would put the 7 day average at 151.

The nursing home info doesn’t bode well at all. That’s where the resources should have been focused on.
My state assigned a hospital to each nursing home as a point of interface. I don’t know if it’s working but it makes sense to link a medical institution to them instead of waiting for the ambulance to arrive.

For completeness I’ll post this again with the full month of July complete.

Rank State Total Deaths July Deaths PCT
1 Montana 60 38 63.33%
2 Texas 6997 4197 59.98%
3 South Carolina 1711 973 56.87%
4 Arizona 3694 2062 55.82%
5 Idaho 189 97 51.32%
6 Florida 6841 3338 48.79%
7 Utah 304 132 43.42%
8 Tennessee 1060 456 43.02%
9 Arkansas 453 183 40.40%
10 Alabama 1580 630 39.87%
11 Alaska 23 9 39.13%
12 Nevada 829 323 38.96%
13 Oregon 321 115 35.83%
14 Mississippi 1662 590 35.50%
15 California 9190 3113 33.87%
16 Hawaii 26 8 30.77%
17 South Dakota 129 39 30.23%
18 North Carolina 1952 576 29.51%
19 Oklahoma 540 154 28.52%
20 Georgia 3751 947 25.25%
21 North Dakota 103 24 23.30%
22 Kentucky 735 171 23.27%
23 Kansas 357 83 23.25%
24 Wyoming 26 6 23.08%
25 New Mexico 642 145 22.59%
26 Missouri 1304 267 20.48%
27 West Virginia 116 23 19.83%
28 Virginia 2173 411 18.91%
29 Louisiana 3952 724 18.32%
30 Washington 1542 276 17.90%
31 Nebraska 332 58 17.47%
32 Iowa 867 151 17.42%
33 Ohio 3493 605 17.32%
34 Wisconsin 931 150 16.11%
35 Maine 123 18 14.63%
36 Delaware 585 76 12.99%
37 Indiana 2964 325 10.96%
38 New Hampshire 415 44 10.60%
39 Minnesota 1640 164 10.00%
40 Maryland 3492 303 8.68%
41 Colorado 1837 148 8.06%
42 Pennsylvania 7280 579 7.95%
43 Illinois 7692 568 7.38%
44 Massachusetts 8608 555 6.45%
45 District of Columbia 582 34 5.84%
46 Rhode Island 1007 57 5.66%
47 New Jersey 15896 807 5.08%
48 Michigan 6450 257 3.98%
49 Connecticut 4431 110 2.48%
50 New York 32765 636 1.94%
51 Vermont 55 1 1.82%

Here is the current seven day average of deaths per day per million with week over week relative change also included. Arizona, in the top spot, may have leveled off. A bunch of the other bad states are still climbing pretty quickly.

Rank State Deaths WoW
1 Arizona 10.83 -1.25%
2 Mississippi 9.60 +52.67%
3 South Carolina 9.07 +13.15%
4 Florida 7.92 +40.33%
5 Texas 7.21 +30.39%
6 Louisiana 7.16 +11.48%
7 Nevada 5.01 +27.06%
8 Georgia 4.17 +0.00%
9 Alabama 4.14 -17.92%
10 Idaho 3.60 +73.08%
11 California 3.10 +18.04%
12 New Mexico 2.79 +13.89%
13 Arkansas 2.79 +43.90%
14 Tennessee 2.55 -0.81%
15 North Carolina 2.37 +20.83%
16 Ohio 2.31 +1.07%
17 Massachusetts 2.30 +15.62%
18 Oklahoma 2.06 +46.15%
19 Iowa 1.95 +7.50%
20 Missouri 1.89 +22.73%
21 Montana 1.87 +55.56%
22 Virginia 1.79 +98.15%
23 Indiana 1.72 +0.00%
24 New Jersey 1.70 +24.71%
25 Maryland 1.68 +12.70%
26 Kansas 1.47 +30.43%
27 Kentucky 1.44 +36.36%
28 Utah 1.38 -18.42%
29 Wisconsin 1.37 +24.44%
30 Oregon 1.35 +42.86%
31 Illinois 1.30 +2.68%
32 Washington 1.29 +11.29%
33 South Dakota 1.29 +33.33%
34 Colorado 1.19 +23.08%
35 Nebraska 1.18 +6.67%
36 Pennsylvania 1.09 -14.78%
37 West Virginia 1.04 +333.33%
38 Delaware 1.03 -87.72%
39 Minnesota 0.86 +3.03%
40 New Hampshire 0.84 -33.33%
41 District of Columbia 0.81 +0.00%
42 Alaska 0.78 +100.00%
43 Connecticut 0.76 +11.76%
44 North Dakota 0.75 -55.56%
45 New York 0.73 -23.08%
46 Michigan 0.72 +11.11%
47 Rhode Island 0.67 -58.33%
48 Maine 0.53 +66.67%
49 Wyoming 0.25 +0.00%
50 Vermont 0.23 +inf%
51 Hawaii 0.00 -100.00%

Florida reported a new record on Friday, 257 deaths. Four consecutive days of new record death tolls.

Yeah, this is going great.

Seems like if you combined elements of these two tables you might get something a bit more illustrative? I mean to say, I guess what we are looking for is places where July deaths are a smaller percentage of total deaths but are also high per capita. I can see, for example, that MA is at 6.45% for July but I don’t know offhand how to interpret their number of 555.

So have there been any states (or countries) that got hit hard and are now seeing a second wave of deaths within the same population? There are definitely places that recently went through what appears to be a first wave - eg: South Carolina, California, Arizona. However, most of the charts I’ve seen of places that already got hit resemble New York, New Jersey, or Massachusetts.

To late to edit:

Another data point - Italy (chart of deaths a little over halfway down).

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Too late to edit :grimacing:

@DSeid has mentioned to keep an eye on Louisiana, as a state that was part of the initial surge in the US and later started to trend up again. I haven’t looked at their graph in a while. I suppose you have to be careful looking at certain states as a whole, in the same way you do with some countries, since their population – and their spread – may be heterogenous. Maybe New Orleans had a bad outbreak of its own early on, while the rest of the state was relatively spared at the time. I have no idea.

Louisiana deaths per day per million versus the US.

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I suppose you have to be careful looking at certain states as a whole, in the same way you do with some countries, since their population – and their spread – may be heterogenous. Maybe New Orleans had a bad outbreak of its own early on, while the rest of the state was relatively spared at the time. I have no idea.

Yes, that’s more or less exactly what happened. New Orleans did get a second surge of cases, but not at the level of places that hadn’t been hit at all before. The NYT has county-level maps which can be really useful for seeing local patterns. Here’s Louisiana.

Some of the states have low populations and their numbers swing wildly so comparisons between states don’t really mean much. What is important is the state/region’s trends.

The 7 day average death per million rankings as of yesterday:

1.1568 Mississippi
0.9382 Arizona
0.8594 Florida
0.7755 Texas
0.7741 South Carolina
0.6453 Louisiana
0.5480 Montana
0.5102 Nevada
0.4602 Georgia
0.4574 Alabama

Something I find really disturbing is Sturgis. It’s a 10 day motorcycle festival that could draw a half million people from all over into South Dakota for concerts and general social gatherings.

I can’t believe that wasn’t cancelled.

Local news programs reporting from Sturgis said 60% of the residents wanted it cancelled. One can only assume that the other 40% wants the cash the rally generates.