Food For thought.........

Not to start an argument or anything. I just found this interesting, and it rings true for me.

What follows is an excellent commentary by an educator at the University
> of Alabama:
>
> I grew up in rural America in the '50’s and '60’s. On any given day, you
> could walk through the high school parking lot and observe that half the
> vehicles parked there were trucks with windows rolled down and doors
> unlocked. Most of them carried, as standard equipment, an FFA sticker
> Future Farmers of America for you city folks) and a gun rack with at least
> one gun, usually loaded. You could make the same observation at any of the
> four high school campuses in our county. Amazingly, I do not ever recall
> reading or hearing about mass shootings in any of those high schools.
> What has changed in America is not the accessibility of guns, but the
> character of man. On the wall in my parents home is a plaque awarded to
> my father in recognition of service for 27 years on the local school
> board. He told me that for years, a standard requirement on every
> Teacher’s contract was membership in a local church.
> I remember starting every school day with the pledge and a prayer. I
> remember when girls who got pregnant in high school were ashamed, when
> abortions were illegal, when the divorce rate was not 50% because couples
> stayed together for the kid’s sake, when there were no X-rated movies,
> when milk cartons didn’t have missing kids faces on them and I didn’t know
> anyone personally who used drugs. I remember when kids were taught respect
> for authority and accountability to God. I hear people say that the good
> old days weren’t always so good but please don’t tell me you think these
> are better.
> Last night I attended a high school football game that was covered by
> local and national news. The news coverage was not about the football
> teams, but about the defiance of a court order by one brave little Texas
> town to preserve the right to pray before a football game. The more this
> country struggles to free itself from religion, the more we become
> entangled in the consequences.
> If people are taught that they came from slime, the obvious questions and
> consequences must follow; What is the purpose of my existence
> [hopelessness], who made you the boss of me [lawlessness], why are your
> rules good and mine bad [relativism], what does it matter how I live if I
> came from slime and return to slime [immorality and inhumanity]? I realize
> that in any given poll, the vast majority of Americans claim to believe in
> God. I claim to believe that running is good for me but that does not make
> me a runner. Putting on my running shoes and running makes me a runner.
> The climbing abortion rate, murder rate, divorce rate, alcoholism and drug
> abuse rate, child and spousal abuse rate contradict that claim and prove
> that actions speak louder than words. It is an observable truth that the
> best time you will ever make on any American City freeway is on Sunday
> morning because there are no traffic jams getting to church.
> For those who believe that separation of church and state is not enough,
> that the world would be better off with no church at all, ask yourself
> this question. How many hospitals, universities, orphanages, homeless and
> abuse shelters have been founded by the ACLU or American Atheist Society?
> It is the inclusion of the word Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian,
> Christian, etc., in the name of so many of these institutions that proves
> by actions, not just words, who really cares for the suffering of mankind
> and desires to make the world better.
> The question that people should be asking is not “Why does God allow
> tragedies?” but “When will we realize that no nation, in the history of
> the world, has ever separated itself from God and evolved to a better
> society?”
> Of course, to answer, you would have to know history. Most people, it
> would seem, prefer People magazine."
>
> Joyce Minor
> Asst. Director of Development and Alumni Relations
> University of Alabama


VB

Some people say that cats are sneaky, evil, and cruel. True, and they have many other fine qualities as well.

These days are better.

What Cher said.

If I’m not mistakem (and I rarely am) we had a thread in GD (maybe) a while back quoting this same speech. It was not taken well as I recall.


I always try to do things in chronological order.

That was just funny! I couldn’t have planned it better! You know I meant "mistaken!


I always try to do things in chronological order.

Yep, I knew it! Here it is:
LookieHere


I always try to do things in chronological order.

Hey! That’s my Steak Ummm, thank you very much!

Um…so the whole argument is that because we acknowledge the fact that Christianity is not all reaching, and that some people choose to not believe in Christ as thier leader, all negative effects of post-modernist America are the result?

The reason kids are killing each other is because they lack stability in thier home lives, not because they don’t pray before football games. It’s because American society no longer has family/community groups to make every member feel useful and productive. As an agnostic, not only do I disagree with the essay, but it mildly offends me.

What SwimmingRiddles said.

Maybe the “good old days” seem so good because of the lack of free, unbiased information about the way things really are.

Sweeping a problem under the rug doesn’t make it go away.


You say “cheesy” like that’s a BAD thing.

I am assuming the person Vestal Blue quoted in the OP was white, conservative, and Christian. I have a feeling blacks, non-Christians, and political liberals would remember the Alabama of the 1950s differently.


TMR
LETS RIDE THIS SAUCER FULL OF SupErlovE INTO OUR FORTOLD UTOPIAN MILLENIUM…

What trout said…


Wisdom is the boobie prize,they give you when you’ve been --unwise!

What elbows said.

Hear, hear!

Esprix, who is glad he lives now and not then, as the OP makes him very, very queasy


Ask the Gay Guy!

Queasy, yes, but also angry. Angry that there are still people out there who would make people like you and me into second-class citizens because we hold different beliefs from them.


TMR
LETS RIDE THIS SAUCER FULL OF SupErlovE INTO OUR FORTOLD UTOPIAN MILLENIUM…

That arcticle rings very true for me also. It is very easy to say that just because someone may be a white, conservative Christian that therefore their opinion must be of little value to anyone else. I disagree strongly. We are ALL God’s children, whether or not everyone agrees with that or believes; and the color of our skins, our languages, our roots, the color of our eyes, count for just so much chaff in the wind to Him.

Truth is TRUTH, regardless of whether or not anyone believes it.

The consequences of trying to eradicate religion from our daily lives, from the very foundation upon which this great country of ours was built on are all too evident. All you have to do is look around you, look at the neighborhood you live in, look at the school grounds, look at the news, look at the spiraling out of control teen pregnancy rates, divorce rates, murder rates, etc.

Whatever you perceive Almighty God to be, whatever name you choose to call Him by, however you decide to worship Him, it only matters that you DO it. Without Him in our lives, as a guiding light if you will, as a hallmark of how to live and how to treat each other, we are much diminished as individuals and worse, as a nation.

Look at the President of this wonderful, mighty nation. What has his example been? He professes to be a Christian, and it’s not up to me to judge him on that; yet, what have his actions and words showed us all? That is NOT the God I have come to know and love.

I’m sorry if this comes across as preaching at anyone, that is not my intention. I merely want to point out that everything we do, believe, say, how we act, all have consequences. And we are seeing the consequences of shutting God out of our lives as a nation.

I’ll climb down from my soapbox now. Thank you for reading this.


You sing in my consciousness like a counterpoint to my life.
L.L.

I just read the last couple of posts that came up while I was typing my post. I feel compeled to add this:
In large part because of my faith, I accept people for who and what they are. I don’t care whether you are gay or straight, tall or short, black or white, or any other color for that matter, or what religion, or lack of you may have. I think that ALL of us, every single human being on this planet, are worthy, special, and first-class members of the human race. And, not only can each and every one of us trace our roots back to Adam and Eve, but even more recently, to Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives.

We are all in this boat together, and we must all take our turn at the oars. No one person is better equipped than another to do that.

For the record, if it matters to anyone, I appear to be ‘white’. I also can claim 9 different nationalities in my background, including 2 native american indian. It is entirely possible that I may also have some black and other ‘colors’ in my makeup, I don’t know for sure, and quite frankly don’t care. I’ll say it again, we are all God’s children, all the same in His eyes.
So, don’t spout prejudice at me, you won’t find any here.


You sing in my consciousness like a counterpoint to my life.
L.L.

I going to agree with SwimmingRiddles. I don’t believe in organized religion. Nevertheless, that’s a whole other subject (my opinion changed once I moved to the South). I believe that that the “family unit” has fallen apart. When I was a kid, and most of my friends agree on this, we sat down to dinner EVERY night at 6:00 for dinner and talk about our day, with an exception of the occasional Saturday night when my parents went out and we had a babysitter who ordered pizza.

I know, I know, there are a lot of one-parent families now, almost all parents work, and parents work different shifts, but all parents should make an effort to spend quality time with their children. Kids these days aren’t taught right from wrong, and have no morals or family values whatsoever. It’s such a shame to see that these are the people who are going to take care of us one day (or are they?).

This is probably the main reason why I don’t have children. I know I’m too selfish and they wouldn’t get 100% from me.

Sorry for rambling. I, too, will now climb down off my soapbox.


“Words fascinate me. They always have. For me, browsing in a dictionary is like being turned loose in a bank.” - Eddie Cantor

Who’s doing that? It’s illegal. Same as having religion forced into our daily lives.

Your brain-in-a-jar,
Myron


Imbibo, ergo sum.

Officially true. However, why then can’t our children, those who are so inclined, start the school day with a silent prayer? Why did my son get in trouble just for carrying his bible to school? Why was my daughter threatened by a teacher for DARING to discuss Jesus with a fellow student who had brought the subject up in the hall before school? You can’t have it both ways.

I completely agree that no one should force their beliefs, religious or otherwise down anyone else’s throats. By the same token, we should have the right to discuss our beliefs in a calm manner wherever we may happen to be, with those who want to hear/participate in said discussion. And, without being threatened by authority figures for doing it.

I also agree with GolfWidow about the family unit. It is being systematically destroyed by all of the negative forces in this country. We try to eat at least one meal together every day, usually supper, and discuss the day’s events, or whatever we want to discuss that night. I have spent most of my adult life attempting to raise our children to be happy, independent, self-sustaining adults, who will be prepared to contribute in some way to our society in a positive way.


You sing in my consciousness like a counterpoint to my life.
L.L.

So, if I deny the existence of God, does that mean that also do not exist?