For all Tori Amos fans.....

All-time favorite: Mother (when I taught seniors I had them listen to it and read the myth of Hades and Persephone-- it blew their minds)

Other faves:
Silent all These Years
Precious Things
Cornflake Girl (been there, done that)
Spacedog
Horses
Blood Roses (my #2 favorite Tori song)
Donut Song
Playboy Mommy
Cooling
Upside Down
Pancake

Best Album: Boys for Pele

Most Hated, Least Favorite Song: Not the Red Baron

Other non-faves:
Baker Baker
Professional Widow
Agent Orange
Your Cloud
Heart of Gold

Least Favorite Album: SLG is a no-brainer, but I did like some of the covers, most notably Rattlesnakes and Real Men.

Best Tori Covers:
Landslide
Angie
Thank You

Best Album:Boys for Pele
Worst:Strange Little Girls (Y Kant Tori Read is a very close second though)

Favorite songs (in no particular order):
Take To The Sky
Talula
Putting the Damage On
Jackie’s Strength
Leather (fun to play on the guitar)
Wednesday
Mr Zebra
Cloud on my Tongue
Least Favorites:
God (the squelching guitar)
Baltimore
The Waitress
[hijack] I always wondered if there’s a website out there that has the explanation behind some of her songs. I’ve heard that Cornflake Girl is about female circumcision but I’d never have guessed that listening to the lyrics[/hijack]

Trying to decipher Tori Amos songs is like trying to decipher Seal or REM songs. A lot of them simply don’t make sense. People just attribute their own meanings. For Tori this gets progressively worse after ‘Little Earthquakes”, and IMO hardly anything after “Under The Pink” is worth listening too except as I’d listen to a foreign opera. Nice vocal work, but totally meaningless. I challenge anyone to find two consecutive, coherent sentences on the whole ‘Boys For Pele” album.

But most of “Little Earthquakes” is at least moderately translatable. “"Silent All These Years” is just the general Tori Amos theme of repressing who you are for the benefit of others, in this case a boyfriend she’s currently having an argument with. The mermaid reference is a bit obscure, but in traditional mythology mermaids were considered incapable of giving or feeling human love, only sexual gratification. Looked at in that light it makes a lot more sense in the context of the lyrics. She’s worried that she might never be able to open up and so never be incapable of forming a meaningful relationship even as “Years go by and I’m stripped of my beauty” and “Will I choke on my tears Till finally there is nothing left”.

Don’t go expecting sense in anything after “Little Earthquakes”. She admits herself that mostly they don’t make sense and need to be ‘felt’ rather than ‘heard’ or somesuch artistic nonsense.

For an example of the meaning of cornflake girl have a look at a quote from the author:

Umm, yeah, right Tori. Hope those medications kick in soon.

I also recommend starting off with Little Earthquakes. I always used to tell my friends that Tori albums work a lot better if you experience them sequentially, as jumping right into Boys for Pele might not be a good first taste. I’m not so sure if that holds anymore, though.

Oddly enough, Wikipedia

and then I found my own answer here:

The website also has lyrics for her songs and some have more interpretations.

Might as well give my two cents on best/worst albums (since I raised the question)

Best : Under the Pink
Worst : From the Choirgirl Hotel (I don’t really feel that Strange Little Girls or Y Kant Tori Read should count)

Does anyone else feel that the post Boys for Pele albums haven’t been quite as good as the first 3? I just haven’t been able to get them like I did the old ones. Maybe I’m just getting old.

Personally I liked “Charlotte’s Walk” a lot more than “Boy’s For Pele”. It made some sort of sense some of the time.

Interesting site stpauler. I’m not sure it clears much up regarding “Cornflake Girl”. General refernces to mothers hurting daughters, women hurting women, specific refrences to genital mutilation and then “Cornflake Girl is the betrayal really of girls.”

So was that a yes or a no?

I decided a long time ago not to try to make any sense of the lyrics :slight_smile:

I’ll pick a favorite song from each album/era, how’s that?

LE: Precious Things, Take to the Sky (possibly my Tori fave, if I had to have just one…)
Pink: Cornflake Girl
Pele: In the Springtime of his Voodoo
Choirgirl: Cruel, Raspberry Swirl
Venus: This is one of my favorite albums. I don’t know if I can even come close to listing one…
SLG: Strange Little Girl
SW: Crazy, Don’t Make Me Come to Vegas

Favorite covers: A Case of You, Love Song, London Girls (it’s just so cute!)

And, I must be whack, because I completely understand the white bread vs. wheat bread analogy.

Each to their own, of course, but I’m shocked that anyone would list From the Choirgirl Hotel as her worst album! Choirgirl is my 3rd favorite Tori album, after Under The Pink (#1) and Little Earthquakes (#2). It’s got so many great songs on it, it’s hard to pick a favorite. My mind is boggling.

I think SLG and YKTR should count, and since I do, I’ll choose YKTR as the worst. I got a promo LP of it when it was first released. I thought she was a joke, though “Etienne Trilogy” showed slivers of promise. I even played it on my radio show. Since she said in YKTR’s liner notes thank you to someone “…for helping me make the album I always wanted to make” I was very dubious about Little Earthquakes. Word of it was swirling around a mailing list I belong to before it was released in the US, and I had a cassette dub of it before it came out here. I loved it, but I didn’t trust that it was entirely her doing. All that changed when I saw her live for the first time. It was at a tiny club called Schubas in Chicago. It was just her, with a crappy electric piano that kept breaking during the show. She blew me away, and after the 2nd song, I doubted her no more. I’ve loved all her albums since, except for Strange Little Girls and Boys For Pele, but it’s just because I haven’t listened to them very much. I might love or hate them more if I gave them more of a chance.

(Yeah, I don’t read or pay much attention to her lyrics anymore either, and I’ve given up reading interviews with her. Too much about faeries and shit that makes no sense to anyone but her.)

Thanks guys I got Little Earthquakes yesterday, and it is pretty good. Does fell like Kate Bush lite at the moment, but I’m sure it’ll grow on me.
For any Tori and Kate lovers who don’t know Bjork music you might try Vespertine from Bjork to understand why I see her as taking over Kate’s crown.

When did she do Stan? The only Eminem song I ever heard her cover was 99 Bonnie And Clyde, on Strange Little Girls.

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I think that’s it’s a “sort of”. My impression from the quote was that the song is about women betraying the next generation of women. The female circumcision practices in Africa being one example of this type of betrayal. Maybe the inspiration was female circumcision but it’s not necessarily a song about it in the broader sense. At least that’s what I gleaned from it, TMMV (Tori’s Mileage May Vary :wink:

Having read a bit from stpauler’s link above, I couldn’t agree more. I thought the lyrics were ambiguous for artictic reasons. Now I find out that’s the way she talks IRL.

So we have been reduced to getting translations of songs from impressions of quotes.

Tori, come back to Earth and start writing in friggin’ Enlgish will ya.

I think the problem is that she does write in Enlgish :smiley:
But surely she isn’t as balmy as Bjork, is she. And Kate Bush is more than a little off her rocker.
Is there anyone else to add to a list of ‘Mad women of Art Rock’? Is Joni Michelle (sp?) crazy…

Baltimore is definately one of the goofiest, most terriblist songs ever. But it was the 80s hair phase, before her rebirth, so I’ll forgive her.

Little Earthquakes actually has he most accesible lyrics. They may not seem that way at first, but most of the songs have a very discernible idea/story to them. Even the really out there stuff refers to intelligible things. If you don’t know what “Neil and the Dream King” refers to, that’s your loss. :slight_smile:

Under the Pink is a fabulous album, but it’s lyrics are a little more obscure and very surreal. I really, really like the music on this one.

Boys for Pele is also fantastic, but even more hard to discern. At this stage, she’s gotten into really almost nonsense lyrics, but the thing is, if you’ve listened to the first two, you can sort of make sense out of the sort of emotions each line is trying to convey, even if they don’t seem to make sense individually.

Choirgirl is where, for me, she lost something. Still some great stuff, but the lyrics just don’t work as well for me, and some are rather grating. I think Scarlett’s walk is much better than the three albums before it, though I wish she’d rock a little more: it’s hard to get people into it when it feels so easy listening.

The thing about Tori’s best lyrics is that they jumble all sorts of images and ideas and stream of consciousness stuff together: but then one really killer line suddenly pulls it all together. Tear in My Hand is a good example: seems aimless enough at first, but that “maybe she’s just pieces of me you’ve never seen” line really drives it home. A great great lyric, and the kind she doesn’t pull off enough in her middle years.

I think the most fun thing about her, though is the… what do you call it? its a p word having to do with mishearing a lyric. There are tons of lyrics I thought were totally different before reading the liner notes. For instance:

Honey
I heard “you’re just to used to mourning” and “you always let your babies die” (an eerie and sad mishear in retrospect)
the real lyric “you’re just to used to my honey now” and “you always like your babies tight”

Taxicab song
I heard: “I bring you a message”
the real lyric: “I’m glad I’m on your side”

I always loved Take to the Sky. It was one of the first songs she wrote when starting over, and it’s a great rocking introduction. Too bad it’s a B side.

In her defense, “Baltimore” was written as part of a contest for the city of Baltimore to promote the Orioles. The flipside of that single (which I’ve seen on eBay for over $500), “Walking With You” is a fairly cheesy love song.

There’s even a bootleg recording of her singing at someone’s wedding in 1978! She does “classics” like “You Light Up My Life”.

Apparently it is called mondegreen.

Oh, and if you want a good laugh, check out Y Kant Tori Read’s video (their only one) for “The Big Picture”.