I have never been told, at least by no one I respect, that gays aren’t to be trusted. No once.
Ditto for you.
Since you can, apparently, judge me and I’m being specifically asked to judge something i fail to see your point.
“the Ghey causes cancer” exists, in this thread, only in your head.
Smoking was simply an analogy and, like all analogies, it is not an exact replica of the real situation.
Excellent, ignore us, we don’t exist, there’s nothing to worry about, we’re dying off, yeah, repeat it.
Well, you are. If you look at the demographic distribution of anti-gay voters, it looks like time is not on your side on this issue.
Re: your other point: I’m judging your position on a political issue - you’re judging part of someone’s deepest self, something they cannot (and in most cases, do not want to) change. See the difference?
In fact, as far as I can tell, in no way are smoking and gay relationships analogous. Except for that time I rolled my boyfriend up in paper and lit his feet on fire.
…and I didn’t deny it.
However, figthting a losing battle can be the rigth thing to do.
Both, in my view, are not a positive thing and other people enjoy it.*
*I have no desire to turn this thread into yet another SSM thread so I will not explain why I think it is wrong. A simple SDMB search will show my opinion.
But I will freely admit that when the idea was first floated, maybe 15 or 20 years ago, I dismissed it out of hand. Why on earth would 2 gay people want to be married? It made no sense. But it only “made no sense” because people hadn’t done it before, and I wasn’t really in the habit of thinking anything about homosexuality except that it was something that didn’t apply to me. As soon as I started thinking it through, though, it made total sense-- especially because of all the benefits society bestows on married people.
I personally thought SSM was an absurd idea when first brought up, much like John Mace. Then I realized that it was nobody else’s damn business what my wife and I do in private, it must be nobody else’s damn business what *any *other (adult, consenting) couple does in private. I am sure we have some habits or preferences that do not appeal to other couples, but it is not our fault if anyone else feels obligated to obsesses over our playstyles.
And the fastest way to get rid of public displays of homosexual attraction would be to let them get married, so they will start acting like all other married couples and never demonstrate any physical closeness ever again.
The sets of photos on BuzzFeed of happy couples and all the surrounding joy with their ceremonies gave me a brief glimmer of hope for humanity. The happiness and love those folks have for each other is so touching and wonderful. And to know that some of them have been together for so long, unable to have that union recognized officially. Finally, some of the wrong in the world is being righted.
Now, we only need to work on the other eleventy-billion things that are wrong, and everything will be perfect!
Tom and Jerry would never be happy. For one thing, Tom would be constantly trying to eat Jerry and Jerry would have to get Butch the bulldog to protect him
So, gays being in a stable, committed relationship is more distasteful than cruising the bars and hooking up with random strangers? Which is more damaging to society?
No, that’s pretty much it. First and foremost, they want people to not be gay. Failing that, they want them to go back into the closet. They feel that if gay people are miserable, maybe they’ll stop being gay, which would require a change in the reality of how this all works.
So long as they cruise those bars in “that part of town” at night, when the straight people are safely at home with their nuclear families, they’re okay with that. Again, not realistic.
Let’s see: smoking is expensive, messy, dangerous, and health-threatening. How is that analogous to being gay?
I support SSM. I druther my sister be happy with a woman, raising their daughters, than miserable and single.
True conversation I had with an anti-abortion person:
So are my sister, her wife and children a family?
Well, they are sort of like a family.
I didn’t ask if they are sort of like a family. I asked if they are a family.
(long pause) Well, they are not a traditional family.
I know they are not a traditional family. Do you consider them a family.
(longer pause). No. I don’t think of that as a family.
I see that you’re stuck with an analogy, that’s OK.
I also see that you want me to think there is an analogy that would satisfy you, when there clearly isn’t. My analogies have to satisfy me.
Or, you could say “Maybe that wasn’t the best comparison” and try with another. If your audience doesn’t “get” what you say, you take a different tack.
Just try to not make it sound like knowing that guys are fucking each other up the ass makes you sick, okay?
And I have to agree that when I first heard of SSM I couldn’t understand what the big deal was over a marriage license. But the more I thought about it and talked to friends who actually were AFFECTED by the lack of legal marriage benefits, the more it made sense to me.
I happen to be white, heterosexual and from a Christian background. I assume (and take for granted) civil rights that other people have had to fight to claim. When I see a picture of a same sex couple getting married, I feel a quiet sense of vicarious satisfaction, very similar to looking at the picture of Rosa Parks sitting down on the bus and riding it. Or black folk sitting at a lunch counter eating their sandwiches. It’s not my personal victory, but I’m glad it’s theirs.
After ending a 3 1/2 year journey from separation to divorce today (yippee), I think you are all fucking nuts to want to get married. That is my sincerely held belief.
