And after 24 years of watching my mom and dad practically give us all diabetes with the way they dote on each other, I can’t imagine wanting any other sort of relationship.
Of course it can, if it’s the right battle. *Your *battle is an attempt to dehumanize people you find “icky” and you’re losing because most people aren’t as bigoted as you and realize your argument sucks. Praise be.
I strongly suspect that the reason so many straight people are icked out by gay sex or related matters is not because there’s anything icky about gay sex specifically but because all sex is icky. The only reason people don’t feel icky about hetero sex is because they have hormonal urges which overcome the ick factor, plus they’re inured by the pervasiveness of it.
Far as I can tell, the standard reaction among kids finding out about (hetero) sex for the first time, pre-hormones of course, is to freak out at the thought that they might ever one day do such a disgusting thing (followed by frenzied imagining images of various straitlaced authority figures doing it). [Possibly this might have changed these days with more exposure at earlier ages - I don’t know.]
It should die down as a news piece and then that be the end of it.
Two things should happen moving forward
A) It’s banned in established churches - Mosques, Christian churches, organized religion etc..
B) It stays at state level.
“I strongly suspect that the reason so many straight people are icked out by gay sex or related matters is not because there’s anything icky about gay sex specifically but because all sex is icky. The only reason people don’t feel icky about hetero sex is because they have hormonal urges which overcome the ick factor, plus they’re inured by the pervasiveness of it.”
This too.
Whom is really comfortable with some thirty something couple macking out at the check out isle in Walmart? Hence the phrase ‘get a room.’
And yes homosexuality is still ‘unnatural’ because it doesn’t originate from the primary purpose of sexual relations which is reproduction, not ‘having a good time.’
Unnatural = more icky.
Exactly; and yet you’re still around listening.
First of all, I don’t. The OP doesn’t require it.
Second, it works for me. I’m not trying to convince anyone in this thread.
I simply cannot believe that you’ve never heard a reason why homosexuality may be wrong.
At least in my case you’re 100% wrong.
I don’t care at all if the audience gets it or not. This thread was about how I felt, I said it, and gave the explanation that satifies me. I don’t care if it doesn’t satisfy anyone else in the world.
You cannot understand how uninterested I am about other adults having sex in the way the want.
As a rule I don’t let my oponents decided my battles or their rightfulness. So, as usual, I won’t for this particular one.
I don’t care if other people think that the arguments I use to convince myself suck. I would if they were arguments I was trying to use to convince others, which I’m not even remotely tryin to do.
The fact the a very small number anonymous people on the interent think I’m bigoted has no effect on anyhting in my life.
If other people get married it has no effect on your life, but you certainly let that go right up your shorts.
But I’m done now since you are, in fact, irrelevant. You lose.
Au contraire.
I can’t lose if I wasn’t even trying to win.
So what would you say to the gay people who could quite possibly be reading this thread? Or do you not feel you need to justify your beliefs (and more importantly, acting on those beliefs) to them, despite the impact it has on them?
I’m on the side of full marriage equality, but it seems to me that it’s dirty pool to have a thread asking how people feel about an issue, and then criticize them roundly when they answer.
If you have to convince yourself, do you really believe that other people should be unhappy so that you can be? Or are you trying to convince yourself because that is what you’ve been taught your supposed to think?
I agree. I started the thread because of the hypothesis (that seems to be playing out, statistically speaking, as openly gay people, couples, and families are more and more common) that seeing gay couples act “normal” tends to soften opposition to gay marriage, and opposition to homosexuality in general.
Also, I’m very curious what opponents of gay marriage (and related issues like gay adoption) want to do about existing couples and families. Do they want to take children away from gay couples, or just prevent gay couples from adopting in the future? Do they want to take away marriage benefits like hospital visitation and being next-of-kin (for couples who are already married)?
It’s also my hope that seeing these couples and families looking like any other “normal” family makes it that much harder on an emotional level to want to take away their rights or break up their families.
But I’m not interested, in this thread at least, in attacking anyone for their beliefs. Challenging them is fine, though.
My reaction to such images isn’t anger or disgust so much as a kind of sadness that all their passion and dedication is going in what I see as the wrong direction.
But the setting of the ceremony would matter a lot - I would be a lot less upset by a scene in a courthouse than I would be by one in a church.
How about serial killers, admitted and convicted murderers marrying the opposite sex in prison by chaplains? That scene give you the warm fuzzies about passion and dedication?
Huh? What do you mean? There’s a lot of things to criticize murderers for, but I don’t see why getting married should be one of them. (Assuming it was a sincere marriage, not just a scheme to weasel something under the law.)
In your eyes convicted murderers have every divine, legal, and social right to marry in prison, but two loving gay parents, or two committed, faithful, and dedicated women, or two lifelong male partners do not deserve those rights?
Troppus, some people are assholes. As much as I wish the whole issue would just die, it’s handy inasmuch as it’s an instant asshole identifier.
This is hard for me to post:
Ya’ know, many years ago, right here on this board, I got my ass handed to me because I didn’t think ‘gay’ love was equil to ‘hetero’ love. I was for civil unions but not marriage.
Thanks, to the ass beating I got, this board made me rethink my worldview. It’s a little embarrassing to think a bunch of strangers on a mesege board changed my outlook on life. But hey, it is what it is. And I thank all those involved for helping me do that.
I only post this to illustrate a point. Sometimes threads like these do actually do some good. (However rare)
So fight the good fight guys.
You can’t say something like this and not expect people to ask for more detail . . . Why do you think gay marriage is “unfortunate”?
Except when it isn’t.
Allow me to put this in context for our readers at home.
segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever - George Wallace - 1963
You and those like you become less relevent with each passing year, being members of the group that wonders what happened. A slow process, but as implacable as an iceberg. Arrange your deck chairs while you can.
Help me follow. Your opposition to same sex marriage doesn’t have an ick factor, but a wrong factor. That is, to use your own analogy, seeing two dudes happily getting married is akin to seeing two dudes happily smoking: they’re happy, which is fine, but they’re happy with doing something that is bad. But you don’t think smoking should be illegal, but you think same sex marriage should be? In what way are these two things different?