Sines, sines, everywhere are sines,
blocking up equations and breaking my mind…
Right.This is just for an infraction, not a crime. But still- do NOT agree to let the police search your vehicle- without a warrant.
Not just L&O- the significant other is the first suspect in these kind of cases.
If they’re red octagons, you stop?
I don’t pretend to understand every system used but what I do know about would be insanely difficult to tamper with. These things aren’t just stored on someone’s computer. It’s an entire system designed for evidence collection. It wouldn’t be worth much if any lawyer that barely passed the bar could question the validity of any bodycam video.
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No. It’s incredibly stupid for an Officer to fuck his career in the ass doing this. It screws the Officer and the public at large.
Some years ago in my neck of the woods this is pretty much what happened. A pair of Officers pulled over an off-duty fire fighter who was clearly intoxicated. They had him park his car and got him a ride home. They were unaware that 2 miles before they stopped him he clipped a pedestrian who untimately died. See ya, wouldn’t want to be ya.
In the late '90s and early '00s I ran a pizza restaurant in downtown San Jose. We sold slices and whole pies, and did good in-house business, and good delivery business as well. One of my policies was that all police officers, fire fighters, and EMTs got 50% off of everything, at all times.
One night one of my drivers was approaching a sidewalk, and saw a person waiting to cross. He started to slow down, but the pedestrian waved at him to go on. So he did, and a watching cop pulled him over.
The driver was polite, but protested that the pedestrian waved him through. The cop didn’t care; he said the driver should have stopped, no matter what. He wrote up a ticket and presented it to the driver to sign. The driver signed it and handed it back, and as the cop gave him his copy, the driver said “I still think this is wrong. I’m working, so yeah I’m in a hurry, but I was still trying to follow the rules…”
The cop asked where he worked, so the driver told him, and gestured to the pizza bag on his passenger seat. The cop paused for a few seconds, thinking. Then he took the ticket back - after the driver had signed it - and downgraded the situation into a warning.
After the driver returned to the store and shared this story with us, I said “and THAT is why cops get a 50% discount!”
One of the most frustrating positions I see some people take in these “don’t talk to the cops” threads is that it’s OK to talk to the police if you are “innocent.” They act like “innocent” is some sort of objectively knowable state of being. But you can’t know if you’re innocent, because you don’t get to make that determination. Whether you are “innocent” is a subjective judgment rendered at the end of a flawed, fraught process. Regardless of how certain you are of your own “innocence,” a prosecutor and jury may – in good faith – come to a different conclusion based on the sum total of evidence available to them.
Far too many “innocent” people in jail.
Yes, in a routine traffic stop be polite and sign the ticket.
Well put.
Pittsburgh tattoo artist Moose never charged a cop for a tattoo. When he died, from the funeral home to the cemetery, the route was lined by cops who turned out in dress uniform to direct traffic.
That is because cops are trained to draw a conclusion and then look for evidence to support that conclusion and ignore anything that counters it.
Officer: I see. In your professional opinion, is 45 greater than or less than 30?
On the occasion that I see cop videos on YouTube, the VAST majority of cops wearing short sleeves are displaying considerable ink. It is a bias on my part, but I do not generally consider that a good look - especially when combined with crewcut/shaved head, bulked up physique, mirrored shades…
I’m covered shoulders to elbows, large pieces on both calves and thighs, a moderate size piece on my back and upper chest. All there for my personal enjoyment.
I’ve had a few strangers tell me they don’t like my ink, just out of the blue. The last guy who made a comment on my ink, I replied, “yeah, well I don’t find your wife attractive”.
(I know several cops who are bulked up thanks to anabolic steroid use. Now that’s scary)
I’m not personally a fan of ink, but I generally couldn’t care what anyone does with their body. And I guess when I see a cop acting like an unreasonable hardass, the ink is a comparatively minor factor. I personally do not think large amounts of ink are a professional look. If I were running things, I’d probably have rules saying for cops - and maybe even military - ink should be covered up by clothing. So long sleeves. Like I said, just my personal preference/bias.
Generally, when I see ink, I might think that I do not personally consider it attractive. But I know enough that the inked persons are not trying to appeal to me. And, outside of an employment situation such as on duty as a LEO - it would never cross my mind to tell someone I “don’t like their ink.”
Yeah this is the key point. If you think you might be suspected of a serious crime, whether or not you did it, say nothing to the police, get a lawyer ASAP, and don’t agree to any kind of search. Anyone who says you should do anything other than this is objectively wrong.
If you are pulled over for a minor traffic infraction (and you are sober and driving a legal vehicle that doesn’t contain any contraband), that is less true. The police have a lot of leeway, and IMO being uncooperative is probably going to ensure you get a ticket (both the last two times I was pulled over I go away with a warning). But YMMV.
I know this is so common as to be practically universal, but this is straight-up corruption. The guy shouldn’t have gotten a ticket, but he also shouldn’t have gotten special treatment because his employer was a Friend of the Police.
Well, you seem to have a lot more faith in government than I do.
Not that I’m a libertarian… that’s not a sustainable position.
But when the police chief says “lose that footage”… there will probably be a ‘technical issue’…?
I got out of a ticket once by admitting blame.
I missed a sign and went the wrong way down a one-way street and a cop pulled me over.
“Do you know why I stopped you?”
“I have no idea.” (I honestly didn’t realize I was going the wrong way; the street had switched two way to one way to two way to one way in the other direction over the years. Also, I knew enough to never say why; you may be admitting to something they didn’t spot.)
“You went the wrong way down a one-way street.”
“Oh, heck. I didn’t realize. I’m so sorry.”
They checked my license and it was clean (it probably also helped that I was an older white man). They came back and said the traffic was bad so they would just give me a warning. I thanked the cop profusely before he left.
My dental nurse is inked all over including on his face, which I find very offputting. But he’s good at his job and a nice guy, so I try not to let it bother me. When my daughter was having a tooth removed and was nervous about the anesthetic injection, we even joked about him being “fine with needles”. But I digress.
On police: I’ve only had two tickets (one speeding, one illegal turn) and both were warranted so I politely took the hit. No issues but then I’m a white guy so…