For those who are in favor of "abortion being left to the states" - why?

Inspired by a post in What’s missing/awry/disturbing about people’s lives that MAGA/hard-right populism is so attractive?

In response to another post where I said that no one wanted abortion returned to the states, someone stated that he did want that. I didn’t want to go off topic , but I’m really curious as to why someone would take that position. If you think abortion is murder , you want it banned everywhere. If you think a woman has a right to have an abortion, you want it legal everywhere. Why would you want it left to the states, except as a compromise?

I think only very rarely do people believe in “states’ rights” when it comes to their pet issues. It’s just a tactic and rationalization to change federal laws to whatever ideology they favor.

All too often we’ve seen the hypocrisy. When it comes to abortion or firearms it’s VERY important that we honor states’ rights. But remember when states like Colorado began relaxing marijuana laws? Well then it became absolutely critical that we enforce federal law!

Now, a principled argument can be made for what is appropriate to regulate by state or by federal law. But by and large, anyone bleating about states’ rights has an ax to grind and doesn’t really care otherwise.

I genuinely don’t think it’s a federal matter; some things are, and some things aren’t, and I think this happens to be one of the latter, and that’s why I would’ve reached the same decision the Supreme Court did.

True. For many, it’s not State v Federal, it’s “whichever one will do what I want”.

Not for all, but I would venture most.

It makes it much easier to bring the full force of national anti-abortion groups down on individual states.

I don’t think the right to abortion is protected by the Constitution. A constitutional amendment would change my opinion. But I am not a lawyer.

I recently had the opportunity to vote on a state constitutional amendment on abortion in Florida. It failed…

~Max

See the post above yours.

It is a federal matter, I believe women have a right to bodily autonomy wrt to reproductive decisions. Why should it matter if the woman resides in Michigan or Georgia?

Would men be comfortable with a state dictating access, accommodation and permission to the male population seeking vasectomies or treatment for erectile dysfunction?

Right.

The federal constitution is silent on the issue of abortion. Therefore, we simply look to the Tenth Amendment on how to handle it.

We do not have a national government. We are a federation of states, and each state has its own constitution, and laws.

After the Supreme Court decision, it was reported that many in the anti-abortion movement publicly celebrated and privately muttered under their breath that a valuable fund-raising issue and political hammer had been taken away from them.

From my cynical perspective, abortion as a tool to harass the libs and punish who they see as irresponsible, mostly dark-skinned people has been far more important since Roe v Wade than the prohibition of abortion itself. At no time since then was it feasible to get a national anti-abortion law passed. Therefore letting the states cater to the right was the goal.

I’ve said it before and here is another opportunity. The right’s only two core principles are hypocrisy and bigotry.

Yes, we do. If we actually didn’t, you wouldn’t be falling back on the 10th Amendment as a reason for states to decide.

We most certainly do, and a national constitution. The “states rights” issue hinges on disputes over exactly what the federal government can and cannot doe.

We are a federation of states, with a federal government.

Then please explain why the federation can’t do anything about ICE invading their states against their express will and having “absolute immunity” from state laws.

The 10th Amendment is a convenience, it seems.

In the face of federal tyranny like we have now, I’m in favor of states securing individual rights and freedoms.

As a general rule, I like what Union General George ‘Pap’ Thomas said after the battle of Missionary Ridge in 1863. His staff asked about burying Union dead by state. His answer was “No, mix ‘em up. I’m tired of states’ rights."

State’s rights when they’re doing something we want, federal supremacy when they aren’t. An old (very old) fave.

What about the problem of national (but private) tyranny injecting itself into state (or sometimes local) issues, though?

Is it silent on the issue of privacy and state enforced pregnancy even in cases of incest and rape. Sounds a bit like slavery, eliminating the rights of a woman to bodily autonomy so where’s the 13$14 amendment?

Why is it up to states, and not up to the women?