They will, as I predicted, get to be on the stage promising to “fight on” or whatever the hell they’re telling themselves, while Obama officially takes it out of their reach in MN. I don’t want a Clinton endorsement yet, but a concession would be nice. As HRH hs said before, “this is where the fun begins” only it will be the complete and thorough understanding of the limits she’s willing to go to for the ultimate prize. She’s like Gollum and the ring. She isn’t burning bridges, she’s blowing them up like there’s zombies on the other side.
Any relationship between announcements from the Clinton campaign and actual events, past or present, is purely coincidental. We’ll just have to wait and see.
According to MSNBC a few minutes ago, Obama’s magic number was down to 35. He should get about 15 PD’s in SD and MT tonight and Politico is reporting that as many as 28 more supers will announce for Obama after the polls close, and the Obama campaign is still working the phones.
Except that in intra-mural primaries it is always the custom to bow out with grace when your chances become miniscule so that you don’t hurt your own party. Hillary has gone on long beyond that point.
This is my transcript of an e-mail that MSNBC’s Mike Viqueira says he received from a Congressional aid who was present during a meeting Ickes was having with his/her boss (a Clinton supporter) last night. Viqueira read it on-air.
Harold Ickes was telling my boss midday yesterday that it’s over, and the end will be gracious beginning with HRC’s comments at Baruch College tonight. This will be over by Thursday at the latest.
Viqueira says “there’s a large Obama fund raiser in New York City on Wednesday night, that will include a bunch of big time HRC donors, followed by a DNC event where big bucks will also be raised. We’re guessing HRC will at least appear at the DNC … and use that platform to begin unifying the party.”
Contests aren’t usually this close though. The 1968 was fairly close and ended with RFK being assassinated, 1972 was fairly close and McGovern won basically it seems because Wallace was shot, 76 wasn’t close at all, 80 wasn’t close, 84 was fairly close and went to the convention, 88, 92, 96, 2000 amd 04 weren’t at all close.
Basically, I don’t see how your point holds up to history. (Someone feel free to correct me if I’ve missed something!)
True, but the way this contest was structured made it very difficult for her to catch up once she fell behind. I’ve never felt she was required to quit as soon as she lost the inside position, but in my opinion it’s been clear for at least three months that she was very unlikely to win, and her chances have only been decreasing as the voting went on in Texas, Indiana/North Carolina and so on.
I don’t know why it’s a big deal to some people that she’s not going to ‘quit’ quit tonight. She’s been in the race for this long; it doesn’t matter if she waits until later in the week.
You omit all of the folks who dropped out when it became apparent they would lose. Lots of those folks are out there for your Googling pleasure.
It became apparent that Hillary would lose after the North Carolina and Indiana primaries. There are tons of examples, but I like how Romney did it. He said he ran the math and it wasn’t going to work, so he dropped out.
This race is only “close” because everyone has assumed that Obama has won it and the opponents aren’t hitting Hilary–nor is Obama–who has already pivoted toward the GE–not hitting Hillary (and he never really did, even when she was playing the shallowest of politics against him).
But I’m done with arguing with Hillary supporters and will just sit back and finally see the forking. On page 51 or so, I will thank all of the folks who have been sustaining this thread (and release them from my indebted payroll :))
Yes, I feel we should use this thread until she is finally forked for good. Remember when we tried to start a 4th thread after NC and IN? It was all like, “Well she’s done” and the thread got moved to IMHO or MPSIMS (I forgot). Lo and behold, the next day, we find out that Hillary had worn her fork proof vest.
I too agree that Romney did drop out in a classy way. I liked the way he did it. It was pretty no-nonsense. I would like to believe that Romney has that in him. That is until he told the people in Michigan that he’d get their jobs back.
Anyway, Hillary went against precedent when she revealed how she wanted to win even if she didn’t get a majority of pledged delegates. That was the point where I lost all respect for her. Because at that point, all of the party leaders and super-delegates were firmly against it, and I would imagine have been until now. She’s been threatening with this non-existent super-delegate backing for so long, it’s about time she dropped out.
And guess what guys she has 40 million in debt. And she wants Obama to pay for it. I seriously hope he doesn’t. He shouldn’t have to pay for the last three months of her tearing him down at every opportunity.
While this is closer than most have been, it looks a lot closer than it is.
Under this year’s cockamamie system where the (pledged) delegates are chosen proportionally, but in several different piles (one for each CD within a state, plus two different statewide delegate polls), a lead of 100 delegates is a big lead, and 200 is all but unchallengeable.
For a long time now, Obama’s lead has been in the 160-170 delegate range.
Just to give a sense of how big a lead that is, Hillary’s ‘convincing’ wins in Ohio and Texas netted her just a 4-delegate gain. (Make that 6 if you toss in RI and VT which had their primaries on the same day.)