Merkwurdigliebe:
Yes, I feel we should use this thread until she is finally forked for good. Remember when we tried to start a 4th thread after NC and IN? It was all like, “Well she’s done” and the thread got moved to IMHO or MPSIMS (I forgot). Lo and behold, the next day, we find out that Hillary had worn her fork proof vest.
Yes! We must not give up until the last mucous flooded gasps of the death rattle are finished. And even then, we must take care to check the pulse. Scan the brain. Incinerate the body. Pack the ashes into a lead vault. And launch the vault into the sun.
…and then nuke it from orbit. it’s the only way to be sure.
MSNBC is now down to 30.5.
ETA:
That’s 9 total so far today. Hillary is still at 198.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-qGLDs-gAnZiUXD2NU51ry3j3dwD912MB0O0
Clinton set to concede
WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton will concede Tuesday night that Barack Obama has the delegates to secure the Democratic nomination, campaign officials said, effectively ending her bid to be the nation’s first female president.
RTFirefly:
While this is closer than most have been, it looks a lot closer than it is.
Under this year’s cockamamie system where the (pledged) delegates are chosen proportionally, but in several different piles (one for each CD within a state, plus two different statewide delegate polls), a lead of 100 delegates is a big lead, and 200 is all but unchallengeable.
For a long time now, Obama’s lead has been in the 160-170 delegate range.
Just to give a sense of how big a lead that is, Hillary’s ‘convincing’ wins in Ohio and Texas netted her just a 4-delegate gain. (Make that 6 if you toss in RI and VT which had their primaries on the same day.)
I completely agree with you. The appeal to history just didn’t make sense to me in light of the fact that this contest is closer than just about any democratic contest has been. I don’t disagree that her chances have been quite low for a while now, I just don’t agree that she should drop out while the chance is still there.
Sorry, Gigo , but that was covered on page 48 (or 47 or something). Ickes has denied it.
Antinor01:
I completely agree with you. The appeal to history just didn’t make sense to me in light of the fact that this contest is closer than just about any democratic contest has been. I don’t disagree that her chances have been quite low for a while now, I just don’t agree that she should drop out while the chance is still there.
But RT was saying that it isn’t close, because of how the proportioning is done. So you actually disagree with him.
The report comes from 2 hours ago, I would say that I lost any confidence on what Ickles says.
It can be that in typical double speak the delegate race will be conceded, but not the nomination.
LITTLE ROCK (AP) - The chairman of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign in Arkansas says he believes it’s clear that rival Barack Obama will win the Democratic presidential nomination.
Attorney General Dustin McDaniel says he hasn’t been given any indication from Clinton’s campaign that she will drop out, despite reports that she would concede the delegate race to Obama
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AP now reporting that Obama has clinched .
WASHINGTON (AP) - Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, based on an Associated Press tally of convention delegates, becoming the first black candidate ever to lead his party into a fall campaign for the White House.
Campaigning on an insistent call for change, Obama outlasted former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton in a historic race that sparked record turnout in primary after primary, yet exposed deep racial divisions within the party.
The AP tally was based on public commitments from delegates as well as more than a dozen private commitments. It also included a minimum number of delegates Obama was guaranteed even if he lost the final two primaries in South Dakota and Montana later in the day.
Antinor01:
I completely agree with you. The appeal to history just didn’t make sense to me in light of the fact that this contest is closer than just about any democratic contest has been. I don’t disagree that her chances have been quite low for a while now, I just don’t agree that she should drop out while the chance is still there.
Really? I guess there’s a non zero chance my balding bean will begin to sprout hair tomorrow also, so should I go around believing (and promising my increasingly shocked and dismayed wife) that in the foreseeable future I’ll have a luxurious mane of flowing tresses? if so, okay then, Clinton still has a chance.
Damn, AP has found its balls today!
Onomatopoeia:
Really? I guess there’s a non zero chance my balding bean will begin to sprout hair tomorrow also, so should I go around believing (and promising my increasingly shocked and dismayed wife) that in the foreseeable future I’ll have a luxurious mane of flowing tresses? if so, okay then, Clinton still has a chance.
There were enough delegates in the last two states and supers that hadn’t commited to put her over. That’s hardly the same comparison.
If that AP report is correct, then that is no longer the case.
found it’s cojones , Liberal :rolleyes:
You’ve forgotten to use the parlance of the absurd season we live in…
MSNBC now has 29. That’s 10.5 so far today. Hillary’s count has not moved.
Exactly. Ever since TX/OH, Hillary’s been in the position of a baseball team that’s 20 games back on September 1. Sure, you’re not mathematically eliminated, but your chances are essentially nil, and you know it.
The difference is that sports teams have to play out the season, but they concede in other ways, like giving their minor-league call-ups a lot more playing time than a contender would after the rosters are expanded to 40 players on September 1.
Hillary should have thought about it for a week or so, then thrown in the towel a day or two after Mississippi.
RTFirefly:
Exactly. Ever since TX/OH, Hillary’s been in the position of a baseball team that’s 20 games back on September 1. Sure, you’re not mathematically eliminated, but your chances are essentially nil, and you know it.
The difference is that sports teams have to play out the season, but they concede in other ways, like giving their minor-league call-ups a lot more playing time than a contender would after the rosters are expanded to 40 players on September 1.
Hillary should have thought about it for a week or so, then thrown in the towel a day or two after Mississippi.
The part that I agree with is that he has had a large lead for a while now, but it is still a lot closer contest than nearly any other has been.
I must confess I don’t get the baseball analogy, so I can’t say how it compares.
AP: Obama has delegates to clinch nomination
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24944453/
Hey, Merk : David Brody, a CBN correspondent and talking head, wrote this today, and it reminded me of you:
Stop torturing me! Watching Obama and his campaign trickle out these delegates slowly throughout the day is killing me. The suspense! It’s like the countdown to New year’s Eve! I just sit at my desk and watch the Obama delegate clock:
31.5
Goodness gracious. I want to take a lunch break but this dwindling delegate math is so riveting I can’t break away. I think I’ll order out.
The supers must be coming in pretty fast. DemConWatch has different numbers in different places on its front page.