I am actually a Gore supporter, to be honest. Both Obama & HRC are 2nd choices.
If you find a post objectionable, please report it rather than playing junior mod.
In this case, you would have been overruled anyway. Note that the rule you quoted makes a point of prohibiting the initiation of multiple threads. The single reference to multiple “messages” refers to posts that are inserted into multiple threads (generally as hijacks) across all/most of the Fora.
Using the same words to make the same point in what is, effectively, the same endless argument, does not violate the rule. You may find it irritating, but then I suspect that he probably finds irritating many of the personal attacks on Senator Clinton that he perceives as counterproductive. Perhaps if you could persuade the other champions of Senator Obama to refrain from casting Senator Clinton as the embodiment of evil, he would not feel compelled to put in his plea for courtesy on so many occasions.
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Who do you prefer between Obama and Hillary?
It’s an tough question. They have nigh identical platforms, you know. :eek:
Obama is a great speaker, really, honestly the best we’ve had in decades. He has a real chance to unite America.
However, I think Hillary has/had a better chance to win against McCain. And, she’s a better wheeler-dealer.
But if the Obama supporters would just stop the nasty personal attacks on Hillary, and be gracious winners (like Obama is himself) it’d help a lot.
Still and all, Gore would be better for the environment than either, and that is a major concern for me. Not that he has any real chance of getting the nod. 
Maybe it’s already been covered but
Did Hillary actually win the popular vote count? Counting MI and FL or not counting them?
I ask because a conservative friend of mine commented on the Democratic argument in Gore v Bush that Gore had won the popular vote but now it’s delegates that count.
Was the Gore won the popular vote argument ever pushed by the DNC or was it just a sour grapes argument by average democrats?
I whole heartedly agree.
As an Obama supporter, the frustrating thing has been that most Clinton supporters (and ‘impartial’ observers as our own DrDeth) continue to view any of the harsh criticisms as off-limits personal attacks. And no consideration is given to the fact that Sen. Clinton has earned some of these ‘attacks’ through the words and actions of her and her staff during this campaign.
As someone said earlier in one of these threads - it is the same frustration felt when criticizing President Bush in the run-up to (and during) this damn fool war - and Bush supporters waived off ALL criticism as simple Bush-hating.
Specific reasoned arguments and observations are much different than general animosity and name calling. I’m not a Hillary fan at all but I think for the good of the country we have to start uniting the Democrats as much as possible. Spitting needlessly at Hillary doesn’t do that. Obama himself has set the example.
OTOH I looked at a web site declaring it’s Hillary supporters for JM. I just don’t get it. Seems rather juvenile to me to let bitterness over your candidates loss turn you against your party and the welfare of the country as well.
She counts Michigan and Florida, but does not count Iowa, Nevada, American Samoa, Colorado, Kansas, Idaho, Minnesota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Washington, Maine, Hawaii, Wyoming, Guam, and half of Texas.
Counting only legally held primaries, and ignoring caucuses as she insists, Obama wins 17,535,458 to 17,493,836.
Counting popular vote IMO would be citizens who voted regardless of whether it’s a primary , caucus, or whatever label we put on it. I question MI only because Obama wasn’t on the ballot which seems to make that pretty one sided.
The reason that caucuses weren’t counted is that some of them didn’t report an actual vote count, simply a winner. There were estimates reported though.
Not all of it is bitterness. Many of these people have legitimate concerns about Obama and feel that McCain is an acceptable alternative. Dismissing them as bitter and juvenile is a mistake IMO. Obama needs these voters and I hope that he can address their concerns sufficiently to win their votes.
Maybe so. Are we allowed to dismiss them because they’re totally clueless, given the relatively minor policy differences between Obama and Hillary, and the huge gulf between either of them and McCain?
That site’s own web poll reports that 69% of respondents will vote for Obama in the general.
Let these folks blow off some steam. This site is a crazy conspiracy website that is being given an audience by current events. Soon they will be just as marginalized as they should be.
Cripes, they’re still on the “Whitey” tapes, which have been jettisoned even by the right wing crazies. I think the real audience for this site is probably 10,000 voters tops.
I thought her speech went a long way in rebuilding the bridge between her and Obama.
I think she still has a lot of work to do, but I am mollified.
Sure, as long as the Clinton supporters can keep an open mind and allow their concerns to be addressed.
There is, what I assume to be, a vocal minority of Clinton supporters who quite honestly just want to fold their arms, stamp their feet and demand to be pandered to under the threat of voting against their own interests. These are the ones posting on blogs and forums that they’ll just suck up four years of McCain and they don’t care about Iraq, the Supreme Court, the economy, etc so long as Obama loses and Clinton can run in 2012. And then they blame this largely because they think some Obama supporters were mean to them (of course, never considering the number of times we’ve all heard “Obamabot”, “Cultist”, “Kool-Aid”, etc etc).
To those people, I say “fuck 'em”. To vote in this country, you need to be a legal adult and, in my mind, that means you should act like and be treated like an adult.
Which means that people don’t kiss your ass just to stop your temper tantrum. If you want to vote against your most perfect candidate’s policies and issues just to try to punish the other guy, then there’s no helping you and trying to appeal to a sense of logic is just a waste of precious time. Throw not your pearls before swine and all that.
As I said, I trust that this is a minority of Clinton supporters whose voice is only amplified by the fact that “moderate” supporters don’t need to scream on blogs about how they’ve been abused and are gonna stick it to the man.
Looks like the bloggers and pundits are happy with this one.
Looks like this turkey is done.
Good speech, Hillary … thank you for finally being a good sport.
I think the Gore-Bush argument was more ‘Florida is fucked up’.
Whadda know. This year, the argument is still ‘Florida. Still fucked up.’