Bottas got past Stroll about 20 meters before the finish line. Vettel had a little bit of oversteer that got Hamilton within a second, but no serious attempts at an overtake.
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Cool. Stroll makes the podium.
What the fuck was Vettel thinking? What the fuck was Hamilton doing? How nasty must have that shoe been in that heat/humidity? Should Stroll shave his eyebrows and save a few kilos? Why did Kimi get a drive-thru? He was already in the garage when the red came out. 
All questions to be examined in the next two weeks…
Really, that should be the last race at that track. It’s neat, and all, but not really suitable. Overall, I’m fairly disappointed.
I thought it was odd that the commentators (on MSNBC) were talking a lot about Hamilton’s brake check (or not) of Vettel, then after Vettel’s retaliation and penalty they completely dismissed it. Even if he didn’t hit the brakes, looked like he was way behind the safety car, farther than the regs would allow, and did the same thing on the following restart.
And I laughed a bit at Hamilton’s post race comments with Buxton. He said the restarts were chaotic with passes and contact and the race stewards should learn something from that. Yeah, but so should the drivers.
Masterful deflection by David Coulthard during the interviews; suggesting who, besides himself, should get the honor of a drink.
The stewards were clear from the telemetry that Hamilton did nothing wrong nor anything different from his previous restarts in the race. He certainly didn’t “brake-check” anyone.
In this case the fault was entirely Vettel and his deliberate barging of Hamilton was worthy of a black-flag. He has been very,very lucky.
Where did you hear that about the telemetry? I didn’t catch it in the telecast I saw. And did they say anything about staying within a certain distance of the safety car?
it was mentioned in the Guardian articlehere, the relevant paragraph
Thank goodness for telemetry! Sure looked like Lewis lifted. No matter. Ramming him was stupid on Vettel’s part. Lucky indeed he didn’t get Black Flagged.
I wonder if he gets any further sanctions before the next race? I suppose the FIA can do whatever they want.
Heck, at one point it was RIC-OCO-MAG, that would have been an even more interesting podium.
I don’t really understand the idea behind the red flag penalties, but I really don’t understand the full concepts behind the red flag repair rules. Ocon can put his teammate into the wall, cause the red flag and damage himself to the point where if there weren’t a red flag he’d have ended up way out of contention, but there was, so he gets free repairs?
As for the Hamilton bit, it does seem he was OK to the regulations, but “leader controls the pace” is the same sort of vague bullshit that resulted in NASCAR having to institute explicit “restart zones” a couple years ago. If the SC is a tiny speck in the distance, and that’s legal to the regulations, there’s a problem with the regulations.
Anyone watch the F2 race? One of the commentators, a French or French-Canadian guy? A little excitable, a little passionate? I didn’t catch his name, but it would be fine with me if he commentated on every race.
Didn’t catch him, but he’s got to be better than lip-smacking, “repeat what the other guy said, just use a different inflection” but insert a “Boy-oh-boy” David “Honda Shill” Hobbes.
Fuck. I’m drunk and angry. I need to stop posting and go to bed.
It works fine 99% of the time. The regulations give latitude to penalise drivers if they go too slowly and fall back from the SC or if they back the field up and there is telemetry available to show this.
I think the driver in the lead at the point of the SC has already been penalised by losing any lead he built up and giving them control of the restart pace is fair enough.
They can indeed, but I read there is a penalty point scheme for the drivers’ racing licences. Vettel was apparently given 3 penalty points in addition to his stop-go, which takes his tally to 9 - if he reaches 12, it’s an automatic 1-race ban. Presumably the points disappear after a time, but he’s on thin ice at the moment - any similar infraction and it could drastically affect this year’s title race.
Eh, 99% of the time it doesn’t lead to ramming, sure, but I’ve almost never been happy with restarts after a safety car, too many cases where the leader has a multi-second lead before he gets to the start/finish line.
If we’re worried about the “fairness” of the leader losing their lead under the SC, it seems like it’d be better to use a VSC-type of enforced gap.
Austria. Jeez, that was boring. But no David Hobbes! 
Okay. I’m watching F1 Extra, and they are talking to Bottas. They put up a groovy close-up of the start lights and the front wheel.
Clearly, the car starts to roll before the lights go out. Maybe just a few inches, maybe didn’t cross the line on the grid, but how is that not a jump start?
I’m no expert, but my understanding of the rules are if the car is in motion before the lights go out, that is a jump start.
There is a certain amount of tire movement allowed even before the red light go out. Reportedly, Bottas was within the allowed tolerances in that time period. Interestingly, FIA wont disclose just how much movement is allowed, fearing that teams would exploit these margins to gain an advantage.
Yaaawwwwnnnn. The last 5 laps did have me awake, though. And I actually made specific time for this one so I could post in this thread. I’m usually 3-5 days late watching… too late to come in here and play with you kids. So here I am but there’s so little to comment on.
I didn’t see the F1Extra footage. I’m okay with any penalty that could be assessed to Mercedes 
but they seem to have dodged a (grazing) bullet.
Did DR drink out of his shoe again? That’s quite gross. I don’t know who that bald-headed guy in Canada was that took a drink. Jean Luc Picard would have never 
Alonso has run in IndyCar.
Riccardo has said a couple times that he’s like to give NASCAR a try.
Bottas, it seems, may have career possibilities in NHRA drag racing. That was a holeshot win.
I think I heard during a NASCAR telecast that when they say there’s a 55 mph speed limit on pit lane that it’s really a 60 mph limit.