Formula One: The 2009 Championship.

Oh yeah, absolutely. This smells pretty bad for McLaren, and unlike the previous controversies, for Hamilton personally as well.

The silly thing is, it ought to have been irrelevant what Hamilton was or was not doing deliberately - it should’ve hinged on whether Trulli reasonably thought he was being let past (and he quite clearly did). How the hell is Trulli supposed to know whether Hamilton has or has not been told to let him past? All he’s got to go on is Hamilton’s on-track behaviour, and he definitely slowed.

Like you say, plenty of stupidity from all sides (except Trulli and Toyota).

Indeed. After placing him in the highest perch possible, there’s only one place to go:

‘LIAR’ LEWIS

From hero to zero

Lewis Hamilton’s reputation tarnished after Melbourne controversy

Many more headlines like those all over the place. Worse yet, and this I don’t believe:

Lewis Hamilton faces suspension for ‘misleading’ race officials

While I don’t mind watching Hamilton being demoted to a mere mortal, I also think it’s absurd to talk about banning him for the rest of the season. Even one (additional) race would be quite the scandal. He is, after all, quite the cash cow for F-1 – and no doubt very exciting to watch.

That’s where “stupid” enters the conversation. Why believe one driver over the other when they could have summoned all the evidence right then and there? Sure, could have taken longer, but so what? Point is to get it right from the start and not have the whole sport blow-up in their faces…as is currently happening what with everyone taking sides. For instance:

FIA: Cut the Sh*t Out, Don’t Suspend Lewis Hamilton, F1 Fans Protest Please

Great start to the season I must say. :rolleyes:

All this nonsense with Hamilton is overshadowing what has the potential to be a really wild race this weekend. The weather will be bad enough but with a short week this early in the season teams won’t be making big development changes and still haven’t quite figured out their cars yet. Between getting used to the new tire compounds, the diffusers, the proper deployment of the KERS ‘boost’ there will be some surprises in this race I think. I don’t know if Button will win again but I do think his driving style is well-suited for the softer compounds. I’m looking forward to it.

Great thread, Red.

The Hamilton thing was as stupid as the Kubica thing. Both drivers would have still had a pretty good showing up until stupidity clouded their thinking.

And extra kudos for calling Brawn

That same old shit is obviously still rampant in F1. Winners are too often determined in backroom meetings, not on the track.

Will someone please let me know when racing comes into fashion again there?

Let me make sure I have this right - Hamilton thought he may have illegally overtaken Trulli under yellow flags (later this proved not to be the case as Trulli had gone off the track), so he asked his team whether he should let Trulli back past him to avoid penalty. He then did so. After the race the stewards questioned Hamilton and McLaren to decide if this amounted to an illegal overtake by Trulli, and they said that they had not deliberately let Trulli through, because they thought that would mean Trulli would get disqualified?

Assuming all the above is true, yes, seems like stupidity and cheating in equal measure by Hamilton and McLaren. Very disappointing.

Rambling post ahead as I want to comment on a couple of unrelated matters.

First, a quick TY to posters who’ve commended the thread. And thanks as well to all that have posted here.

I happen to find the whole world of F-1 fascinating and although it is a sport that I came into rather late in my life I think it is the most challenging of all in terms of the huge number of variables present not just from season to season, but race to race. As footie/boxing/tennis fan of over 40 years, I can confidently say that is not the main attraction in those sports. The rules are the rules, and the ‘cars’ for the most part, remain pretty much the same. In F-1 one almost always seems to be in learning mode – as supported by the evidence that even McLaren was unsure of procedure in Melbourne. Well, not a very good example but you know what I mean :wink:


HongKongFooey, yes, very much so. Sepang has all the makings of a fascinating weekend all on its own – no Hamster distractions needed.

As almost always FP 1&2 really shouldn’t be used as indicators to the main events, but at the same time, it’s almost impossible not to do so – even when its only a week between races and one shouldn’t expect many (if any) significant changes. In that vein, it is rather striking to see the improved pace on the Ferraris and RBs relative to the apparent slide of the BGPs. However, upon further inspection, once again we have a very, very tight grid, with less than a second separating cars 1 through 15. Throw in all sorts of possible, or likely scenarios such fuel-loads, tires, aero set-ups, ballasts and KERs and I am afraid we’re left with little to go by.

The fact that the race is delayed 2 hours from its usual start is yet another variable that could make the Malaysian GP, completely unpredictable. Always a tough race due to the heat and humidity, they’ve now added a very real possibility of a very wet race – as rain typically comes down later on in the day. If it does I’d almost say all bets are off, though it’s also true that some drivers handle the wet stuff better than others: Vettel, Hamilton, Button, Webber and Alonso, based on past results, over Massa, Glock, Trulli, Barrichello, Rosberg and Heidfeld, with Kimmi somewhere in the middle as he is very good on drying surfaces. Not sure where you’d put the rest of the field.

What we do know from today’s practice sessions, from any number of driver’s quotes is that the compounds Bridgestone brought to Sepang (hard as prime, soft as optional) appear to be holding up a lot better than they did in Melbourne – with the softs having a distinct advantage in speed. Thus rain notwithstanding I believe there’ll be an extraordinary amount of thought given to tire strategy, to the point where it wouldn’t be surprising to see a team or two, go on the optionals for a couple of stints as opposed to the norm.

All that said, I think I’d still tip Button for the win though this time I won’t add Barrichello to the podium as he’s been hit with a five place grid gearbox penalty. However I think it’s very doubtful that within a week anyone could have caught-up with the Brawn. I’d wild guess a Ferrari (Kimmi) and Rosberg (Williams) or Alonso (my biased pick, but even if not 100% fit this is a favorite circuit of his) to complete the top four in that order. Or not. :wink:

If it rains (hoping it’s not monsoon conditions for that’ll surely stop the race), all bets are off. As will any number of cars!


Dead Cat, I quite enjoyed how you put that, but yeah, in a nutshell, you have it exactly right. :slight_smile:


Track: Petronas Malaysian GP

Qualifying and Race times to the right of same page.

Did my Hamilton bias show through? It wasn’t really meant to, so I’m not entirely sure what you mean!

Thanks for starting the thread and being so patient explaining everything, as well as providing your own detailed and interesting take on things.

At work and the moment but we have a TV set up so caught most of qualifying. No real suprises apart from Massa’s cock-up. Will be at work for the race as well but my desk is right by the TV so looking forward to that!

No, no bias showed, it’s just that it brought a smile to my face as it reads like an Abbott and Costello routine – which is akin to Hammi’s and Macca’s performance with the stewards.

Don’t mention it, literally my pleasure. And it also gives me a place to decompress after watching Qualies or GPs – as I did this early morning.

Massa’s failure doesn’t smell quite right to me after their FP times; could well be a mechanical problem they were trying to hide. OTOH, Kimmi’s pace wasn’t so hot either though I think they dismounted his KERS after yesterdays problems.

As for the rest, again, Brawn is clearly the class of the field at this point and Vettel is just pure class (the ten spot grid penalty suxs). Trulli’s always excelled at Qualifying but never really a threat as he normally lacks race-pace and starts very light – thus the infamous “Trulli-trains.” This year however, he’s got a very good car to go along with his Quali prowess. It’ll be interesting to see what he’ll do with it.

Just to shake things up a bit, here’s hoping for some rain tomorrow. Otherwise Button should ride into the distance as the four cars behind him are all without KERS – and the start is likely the only place he’ll be vulnerable.

With a hot wet circuit I wonder if we’ll see some of the KERS teams at a disadvantage with the added weight making an already tricky braking situation even tougher. I don’t want to see a monsoon but some rain would definitely make for some excitement. As much as I dislike the tire situation, I have to admit it does make for an interesting strategic element. Even if it is a bit artificial.

Crap this is too much rain. I hope they don’t have to stop the race altogether. Looks like the commentators’ area was hit by lightning a couple of times. I wanted wild stuff on the track dammit!

It was certainly wild stuff on the track for the last few laps before the red flag - let’s hope we can get going again, but time is running out.

Does anyone know the last time a race was red-flagged? The only one I can think of is Imola 1994, where they eventually re-started the race, but on some bizarre system of aggregate times used to determine the winner. I assume there has been another occasion since then, and that the rules have changed - can anyone confirm this?

Well, that’s that - shame. I would definitely have preferred a full race with an earlier start time than this. Oh well.

Well, that was certainly worth getting up at 4:30 A.M. – not. Unreal they took almost an hour to call the race. It was pretty evident after the fist 20 minutes or so they couldn’t go on what with the monsoon, fading daylight and the two hour limit. Great scheduling call FIA…you guys really rock…and roll money into your accounts.

Only thing I could glean from the half race is what we already knew, that the DD diffuser 3 have such an advantage they are running in a different class. IIRC, the four race leaders (Button, Barrichello, Rosberg and Glock (?) at one point or another just ‘happened’ to be representatives of each DD diffuser teams. So either the diffuser is ruled out before China or this year’s WDC is pretty much decided already as all the other teams won’t be able to properly retrofit them to their cars for at least two races optimistically speaking – and that wouldn’t include the Ferrari or RB, which need extensive work done to their rear structure.

Oh, and just can the darn KERS bs already!

:::le sigh:::

Dead Cat, Nürburgring was the last red-flagged race. Comprehensive list here: List of red-flagged Formula One races

Enjoy your day, ladies? and gents.


Chinese GP in two weeks.

Am I to understand Ferrari didn’t know whether Raikkonen’s car would run with the KERS inoperative? Surely that’s a scenario they would have planned for.

The last few laps before the rain were quite exciting. My wife even was riveted to the screen, she usually just tolerates the race for a couple of hours. What a shame they didn’t go with the earlier start.

Wow, I suspected there had been one or two but that was a hell of a lot more than I had thought - thanks. Just shows how little I’ve followed F1 in the last few years.

Too bad about the rain - that was a really good race before it was ended. Lots of overtaking at the front and in the middle of the pack. Some fun back-and-forth exchanges, plenty of pit lane antics with the anticipatory tire changes and then tire re-thinkings. Just before the rain really got there it was almost like “Keystone Kops Do F1”. Good thing they stopped that, really; the FIA stewards probably don’t like competition.

Most of those were restarted, though. An article I read said that this was only the fifth time that half points were awarded.

One of those times was at Monaco in 1984. Alain Prost was leading, but rapidly catching him was rookie Ayrton Senna (in a Toleman, no less). The race was red flagged before 3/4 distance. Prost got half points for winning (9 in those days). If it had gone 3/4, Prost might have gotten full points for second, 6, instead of 4.5. Prost lost the championship that year to Niki Lauda, by half a point.

Monaco in 1984 must be ancient history. Heck, Nico Rosberg’s dad finished fourth.

Just heard that the diffuser’s used on the Brawn, Toyota and Williams is all legal and ok to use.

BBC

Indeed. It’ll be interesting to see how long it takes McLaren to change their diffuser along with the other manufacturers.