[QUOTE=acsenray]
It’s more than “childish.” It’s more like cultural ignorance, not understanding the difference between “my baby’s daddy” and “his babymama.” It’s even more clueless than saying, “Well he calls himself a ‘person of color.’ Why can’t I call him a ‘colored person’?”
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You’re right, but you might as well talk to a baboon’s ass as try to tell Fox News that.
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Not that it justifies it’s use, especially as it was altered, but do you think they (whoever at Fox decided to do it) would have used that term if Michelle Obama had not used something close to it?
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Beats me, and honestly - what the hell difference does it make? It’s one more attempt to be flip and derisive in an inappropriate way, which is getting mroe and more common on news stations. As justifications go, this would be wafer-thin.
[QUOTE=acsenray]
It’s more than “childish.” It’s more like cultural ignorance, not understanding the difference between “my baby’s daddy” and “his babymama.” It’s even more clueless than saying, “Well he calls himself a ‘person of color.’ Why can’t I call him a ‘colored person’?”
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As Diogenes points out, you may be absolutely right, but trying to argue that point is not going to get anyone anywhere, and is likely to make them look bad in the process. I imagine there will be much worse things said about Barack and Co. before November that will be worth fighting about.
Oh, and I think that “nigger” (always a negative connotation) vs. “nigga” (sometimes has a positive connotation to a select group of people) is a much more apt comparison. There is a HUGE difference within the black community, but little to none outside of it.
[QUOTE=Marley23]
Regardless, if anybody from Al Sharpton to Joe Sixpack asks Fox to explain this jokey-but-inappropriate use of slang, her earlier remark will be the justification they use.
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It’s already happening.
[QUOTE=Liberal]
Cut them all the slack they need, I say. It’s going to be a spectacular hanging.
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I’m starting to think you’re right. I’ve always been of the opinion that the “Republicans have no chance” meme was just ignorant of history, polls and facts. But I’m starting to think John McCain is going to get run over like a hamster in front of a steamroller.
Negative attacks work. But they have to be intelligently planned and carried out, because the problemn with flinging mud is that if you’re bad at it you get more on yourself than on the guy you’re flinging it at. The attacks on Obama are becoming silly and hysterical; rather than waiitng out his popularity surge, letting him make his own mistakes, and then carefully attacking his platform and his persoanlity in weak areas, the right is going berserk over nothing.
A couple of years ago we had an election in Canada. The incumbent was Paul Martin and the Liberals; the Liberals had been in power for 13 years, Martin for a few. The challenger was Stephen Harper and the Conservatives, a very different sort of person from Obama (he’s not charismatic) but, like Obama, the choice if you wanted something different. The Liberals, who historically are the much slicker, smarter party, found themselves falling behind a bit. They were on the defensive over a scandal, a lot of their better spinmasters had walked away when Martin became leader, and some bad campaign decisions were made. They started lashing out at the Conservatives in the most bizarre, hysterical fashion. Weird accusations and claims flew like paper airplanes. Martin suddenly, out of absolutely nowhere, announced in the middle of a TV debate he was going to amend the Constitution, which (given recent Canadian history) is about as appealing a promise to Canadians as saying “I’m going to have an RCMP officer knock on every door and kick every make Canadian in the balls and punch all the women in the face just to make it fair.” There was a definite air of desperation as the attacks came further and further from out in left field.
Then the Liberals ran an ad - only aired once, but then it got out on YouTube - that actually seemed to be suggesting the Conservatives were going to declare martial law and just shoot people at random.
It blew up, badly. Coverage of the ad dominated the press for days, overshadowed the French-language debate, and was invariably presented by all media outlkets in the vein of “What in the hell were they thinking?” The end result of that ad was the worst thing a politician, or a party, can have happen to them; people laughed at them. It was so over the top that people had to laugh. The ad was lampooned endlessly on comedy programs and on the Internet. And any REAL negative message the Liberals tried after that was effectively squished; having cried wolf once, their message carried the stink of dishonesty and loserdom. They managed to lose an election for the first time since 1988.
The Republicans and their FOX lapdogs, I think, are going to make the same mistake at some point between now and November. They’re going to keep syaing stupi shit, but there will be one gigantic shotgun blast right into the feet, a moment of such transcendent insanity, that their campaign will no longer be behind, or losing, or in trouble; it will become a joke. And then it’s over.
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy]
It’s already happening.
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Score one for me, then.
Let’s not overlook this, folks - Fox News is largely a troll network, and they and people like Malkin rely on people getting pissed off at the dumb, but frequently non-malicious, things they say.
I put the odds about even that somebody in the right wing media – either one of the Fox News tools or one of the major radio screamers – will lose control and say the N-word at some point during the campaign. It just feels like it’s always there under the surface with some of these people. You can practically read the thought bubbles over their heads. Somebody’s going to do a Kramer and just start screaming “He’s a nigger! He’s a nigger! He’s a nigger!” You can just feel that tension sometimes. My guess is it will be O’Reilly.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
I put the odds about even that somebody in the right wing media – either one of the Fox News tools or one of the major radio screamers – will lose control and say the N-word at some point during the campaign. It just feels like it’s always there under the surface with some of these people. You can practically read the thought bubbles over their heads. Somebody’s going to do a Kramer and just start screaming “He’s a nigger! He’s a nigger! He’s a nigger!” You can just feel that tension sometimes. My guess is it will be O’Reilly.
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No way. It’s not his style.
No doubt whatsoever, it’ll be a right wing radio host. That’s where the real crazies are. I’ll also bet $5 it’s preceded by “uppity.”
Not a chance. They will infer, imply and insinuate, but never, ever actually say it.
[QUOTE=Biggirl]
Placing bets-- which FOX word reader will be the first to drop the N-bomb? Even though she’s not regularly on a FOX show, I’m putting my money on Ann Coulter.
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I’d put money on Malkin, if I were a betting man. She’s the right wing’s go-to girl for racist maunderings, since she’s a minority herself and believes she has some kind of get-out-of-social-opprobium-free card because of it.
Coulter got a kick out of saying “fag” (or was it “faggot”?), and of course she has to keep pushing the envelope to keep getting attention. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if she at least said “nigga”, if not “nigger”.
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy]
It’s already happening.
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Didn’t she also publish the address and phone number of the boy who was speaking up for CHIPS during a Senate meeting? And then refused to take it down? Or was that someone else?
Jesus.
[QUOTE=jayjay]
I’d put money on Malkin, if I were a betting man. She’s the right wing’s go-to girl for racist maunderings, since she’s a minority herself and believes she has some kind of get-out-of-social-opprobium-free card because of it.
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It doesn’t help when someone calls her “slant eyed pig” and “racist” in the same email, I’m sure.
[QUOTE=yojimbo]
You can see the actual “Terrorist fist Jab” at 40 secs in to this video.
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Pat Buchanan comes out of that clip very well, I think.
[QUOTE=RickJay]
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
I put the odds about even that somebody in the right wing media – either one of the Fox News tools or one of the major radio screamers – will lose control and say the N-word at some point during the campaign. It just feels like it’s always there under the surface with some of these people. You can practically read the thought bubbles over their heads. Somebody’s going to do a Kramer and just start screaming “He’s a nigger! He’s a nigger! He’s a nigger!” You can just feel that tension sometimes. My guess is it will be O’Reilly.
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No way. It’s not his style.
No doubt whatsoever, it’ll be a right wing radio host. That’s where the real crazies are. I’ll also bet $5 it’s preceded by “uppity.”
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Recall when Dick Armey referred to Barney Frank as “Barney Fag” in an interview ? It could be any of these people; I wouldn’t be surprised if if happened in Congress. Behind closed doors I suspect that’s the way a solid majority of the Republican leadership refers to Obama. They’ve been the party of choice for bigots for decades.
[QUOTE=Baldwin]
I hadn’t heard of this before. I know people are stupid but – really? Wow. Isn’t fist-bumping almost a universally-understood gesture in the U.S.? What in God’s name does it have to do with terrorists?
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It is common gesture in golf and baseball ,hotbeds of radicalism and terrorism.
[QUOTE=Marley23]
It doesn’t help when someone calls her “slant eyed pig” and “racist” in the same email, I’m sure.
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:dubious:
[QUOTE=Marley23]
It doesn’t help when someone calls her “slant eyed pig” and “racist” in the same email, I’m sure.
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That’s out of context, because they went on to ask how it feels to be called those kinds of names. It was a challenge, not a sentiment.
[QUOTE=RickJay]
No way. It’s not his style.
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Certainly not since he went to that black restaurant and saw them eating with utensils and such.
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
Recall when Dick Armey referred to Barney Frank as “Barney Fag” in an interview ?
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Which time? He did it twice. And seriously, with a name like “Dick Armey” you really need to watch the fag jokes.
[QUOTE=holmes]
Yeah, there is.
One is a I guess for a better term, “familiar black”…as in: here’s the father of my child, isn’t he a fine man?! I am proud of him and proud to share children with him. We are a loving, MARRIED couple.
The other is: any Tom, Dick or Harry could be this father’s child and it’s not very important; as he was just leaving a deposit. My children are bastards and any other children I have will most likely be too…
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Huh. The women I knew who had only received a sperm deposit and occasionally money for the children would say “my baby’s father”, “my son’s father”, “my baby’s daddy”. Not mybabydaddy. Of course I’m not a familiar black person either.
