Fox Soccer Channel Anyone? (nOOb FA Cup and Other Soccer Qs!)

So I’ve gotten caught up in the FA Cup matches on FSC, particularly those featuring MU or Arsenal. Anyone have a rational argument for some club other than the Yankees, cough, MU that is, taking it this year? Chelsea really got a chance?

Also, as a soccer n00b, I’m wondering if the EPL overall is really head and shoulders talent-wise over Serie A, La Liga or Bundesliga as advertised? Would the top clubs of either give MU a good run in some kind of series? Best of 5, etc.? How about the middle-of-the-pack fellows, are they even comparable?

Lastly, who are the “best” Americans playing over there, are they actually impact players? I’ve heard a little bit about Bobby Convey. Anyone think Adu will still evolve into something special when he finally crosses the pond?

Yup:

League leaders != FA Cup winners.

Man Utd may be storming the league this season but that certainly doesn’t guarantee them glory in the FA Cup, the two competitions are very different. The league requires stamina and consistency through-out the season, the FA Cup (being a knock-out competition) requires teams to be able to step up and beat whatever teams they face on the day - lose one and you’re out.

In fact, it’s a huge achievement if a club manages to do “the Double” and win both the League and FA Cup in the same season. Its only been done 10 times or so in the 100+ years of English football - with us Gunners (Arsenal) and the Scum (Man Utd ;)) being the only teams to have done it more than once (1971,1998,2002 for Arsenal, 1994,1996,1999 for Man Utd).

Always remember, as I say, that the FA Cup is knock-out football. One bung result and you’re out. We’ve beaten Man Utd both at home and away this season (our current league position is reflective of our inability to beat the journeyman teams at the bottom rather than any failure against the top teams) and on any given day the difference in standard between Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd is negligible. Even taking those three teams out of the equation, there’s still clubs like Tottenham and Middlesborough in there who, should they play out of their skin, can still pull off an upset.

Out of the teams left in it, I’d say:

Likely To Win It

Arsenal
Chelsea
Man Utd

Could Win If Played To They’re Potential

Tottenham
Middlesborough

Unlikely to Win But Could Shock

Blackburn
Reading

Should Get Through Via (Relatively) Easy Fixtures

Man City

Everything else is anyone’s guess.

I couldn’t tell you - and that probably tells you as much as you need to know :smiley:

There are American players over here, but they are really not present at the top clubs (outside of their youth teams anyway). You’ll normally find a couple at mid-Premiership teams though, which explains Fox Soccers infuriating tendancy to show some bumfuck match like Fulham vs Blackburn instead of Arsenal vs Man Utd on some Saturdays (at least that’s what used to happen when I lived out there :smiley: )

Honestly? I think he’s got potential, but unless he gets himself to a big club under the watchful eye of a Wenger or Ferguson quick sharp he’ll never be more than that.

Head and shoulders? Maybe not - depends what you’re after in terms of your football. Given the current issues Serie A has (match fixing last season, violence and cancelled games this season) you can pretty much say that at the moment the big two are the Premiership and La Liga, and there is a very strong argument that, overall, the Premiership has the most to offer.

No need to speculate - we have the UEFA Champions League . A Europe-wide competition that comprises of a short league period (4 teams in each group who play each other twice) followed by Knock-out football (featuring the winners/runners up of each group) to discover who is (arguably) the best team in Europe. If you really want to see beautiful football then this is the competition to watch (it converted a fair few of the regulars in my local bar in New York to footie when I was living there last year).

How do the English teams hold up?

Well all 4 English teams that earned a place in this year’s tournament (Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool) finished top of their respective groups and are through to the last 16. Arsenal also lost to Barcelona in the final last year (wails) and Liverpool won it the year before. Its become increasingly rare for there not to be at least one English team that makes it to the Semi-finals.

If you’re interested, the Champions League resumes this week actually - fixtures (featuring English teams) are:

Lille (France) vs Man Utd
PSV (Holland) vs Arsenal
Barcelona (Spain) vs Liverpool
Porto (Portugal) vs Chelsea.

Celtic (Scotland) vs AC Milan (Italy) should also be a killer game.
Anything else you need to know?

Jolly good post, that man!

Yes. Who did Sir Alf Ramsay play for in 1951?

I think it was Spurs…

He joined Spurs in '48 innit? It was certainly the last club he played for before taking the Ipswich job.

Well, that answers that! Thanks garius. One last question tho, and I realize it’s fairly speculative, but what do you think England’s chances are in 2010? I thought it looked fairly sharp last year, but with Beckam throwing up and getting older and Mooney kinda losing his mind, it could have finished stronger I thought. Think Steve McClaren is the answer? Heard the national team has hit a rough patch of late in friendlies. And other than that header where he climbed up that fellow’s back, Crouch seems a bit stiff? Maybe he’s more active for Liverpool?

England played atrociously bad in the last world cup - if you take “atrocious” as being a relative term (in this case relative to the performances that we all know the players on that team are capable of).

Now a lot of excuses/explanations were put forward for this.

Firstly, the media questioned the team that Sven Goran Eriksson (the manager) took to the tournament in the first place (the selection of Arsenal youngster Theo Walcott who, at that point, hadn’t even made an Arsenal appearance, for example). They also criticised him for lacking sufficient back-bone to drop big-name players who were performing below standard (Beckham being the obvious example).

The irony, of course, that they (the media) were now having a go at Eriksson for being too influenced by the media was completely lost on them. That aside, however, there was validity in those claims.

Secondly, questions were (rightly) raised about the performances the England players themselves put in. Whatever emotive terms you want to attach to it (“Passion”, “Heart”, “Va-va-voom”) they certainly lacked something as their performances on the pitch were disgracefully substandard.

A lot of debate and effort has therefore, as you can expect, gone into looking at how the FA can turn England back into the side they should be. So far, however, their attempts to do something about it haven’t exactly filled people with confidence.

Firstly, after Eriksson’s departure, they completely botched the quest for his replacement. Now the thing to remember is that managing a NATIONAL team is very different to managing a regular team. Your “team” is composed of players who don’t regularly play together and indeed often play against each other (think of it as being like Pro-Bowl games) with all the inherent difficulties that produces and you can obviously only select players of a particular nationality - if there isn’t a world-class left midfielder of English nationality then tough. This means that some incredibly good managers have, well, sucked as national coaches because they lack the skills it puts particular emphasis on - Man Management, Scouting and basically getting the best out of what you’ve got.

So as you can imagine, its damn important to get it right.

It should have been Scolari (the then Portugal coach) and they even went so far as to announce him as “their man” only to see him turn the job down, commenting that the job of England Manager is a poisoned chalice - too much pressure from the FA, too much press attention, too much fan expectations.

The FA then tried to pretend that it didn’t matter as they hadn’t really wanted him - honest - and started making noises about how the next manager should be English because that’s what “the fans” (or rather the people who read the Sun Newspaper ;)) wanted.

Great idea in theory, but its execution left a lot to be desired. Firstly, whether for reasons of nationality (he’s Irish) or just plain incompetence, they didn’t approach Martin O’Neil - someone who was (and still is) phenomenally well suited to the role with a proven track record at that style of management. He was (at the time) unemployed, a very popular choice amongst fans, and had even been dropping veiled hints that he was rather interested. They then seemed to ignore pretty much every other manager whose name popped up in connection with the post (such as Alan Curbishley) before settling on Steve McClaren.

Now Steve McClaren is not a bad manager. He’s a pretty good manager, in fact, and no one really doubts that. The issue most people have, however, is that he isn’t the best manager for the job and wasn’t the best available at the time. Most people aren’t pissed off at McClaren (although they’d like to see him replaced with someone better) because its not his fault - they’re pissed off at the FA for putting him in the job in the first place.

Now to my mind England’s biggest problem is not that we don’t have the quality and talent - despite what some people say about foreign players ruining the English game etc. - but that those players need a thorough kick up the arse from whoever is in charge, some good tactics, and more time to actually train and practice some goddamn tactics together rather than just playing pointless friendlies all the time. I don’t think we’ll see that this side of the European Championships in 2008 where we will almost certainly muddle our way through to the Quarter finals or Semis before going out to France or Portugal, but to my mind McClaren simply doesn’t have the skills necessary in sufficient quantities to get more than that out of us.

So until O’Neil (or someone like him) in that job and the FA actually gives them the support and time they need to do whats needed then England are going to consistently underperform

So who knows, by 2010 we might, might actually stand a chance of winning something, but at the moment i’m not hopeful.

That seems like a good summary of the national team’s situation. One thing McClaren has going for him is low expectations. Everybody practically expects England to be mediocre under him. We’ve lost a couple of friendlies, and more importantly a Euro qualifier under him, but there doesn’t seem to have been as much wailing and gnashing of teeth as there usually is when we get beaten.

i’d agree with that - i do think the upcoming game against Israel will decide his future though. Anything less than a win and he’s stuffed.

The best Americans in the EPL are Brad Friedel, goalkeeper at Blackburn; and Brian McBride, Forward, at Fulham. I think both are retired from international play. This list of players eligible for the US National team shows 12 players currently on EPL rosters.

Well said. Thanks garius for the info.

I’m not sure Brian McBride qualifies as a best American in EPL anymore. Isn’t he mostly coming on as a substitute these days? I would lean more towards adding Tim Howard at Everton and Marcus Hahnemann at Reading to that list.

With the English players? :smiley:

Good call, garius. As a Rovers fan, that’s the happiest I’ve ever been with a draw even if the Arse did have most of the possession. Especially happy, given the 6-2 drubbing we received from them earlier in the season, and our injury list that’s bigger than some League 2 clubs.

Football (soccer) is dominated by a limited number of top clubs

(In no particular order)

Real Madrid
Barcelona
Inter Milan
AC Milan
Juventus
Manchester United
Liverpool
Bayern Munchen

I wouldn’t say that there is to much of a differance in overall quality between Spain, Italy and England. The Bundesliga is not comparable with those.

:smack:

McBride is having a terrific season. He leads the team in goals and in among the top 15 or so goal scorers in the EPL.

Shows how closely I get to follow the league from over here. :slight_smile: Brian’s a class act; it’s great to hear he’s doing well.