Your Highness, don’t you mean first-person plural? Otherwise, that should read:
Yes, but fatherjohn’s head is only half-baked.
:rimshot:
Thank you!!! Mr. Cynical will be here all week! Don’t forget to tip your servers!
Enderw24’s opinion is that fatherjohn wants to get it on with Miss Manners. He will take her to the back of an SUV and they will shove solar panels into each others rectums. General protocol is to keep your pinkies outstretched during insertion and never refer to yourself in first person, even while referencing your orgasm’s status.
Shit! mouthbreather never got those pictures developed! He SWORE he wasn’t going to tell anyone. How did you learn of this, Alpha?
::mouthbreather frantically packs bags, heading for Tijuana::
Enderw, yer grossin me out!
Or should I say, yer grossin vanilla out?
Alessan is beginning to suspect that fatherjohn and Dal Timgar are in fact the same person.
[sub]*Emphasis Alessan’s.[/sub]
Now that’s funny! 
I get upset when sancti-whatever-you-call-them think that the rest of the world is out there going, “Duh…my momma done told me, to get solar energy, duh, because it is free-eee.”
It’s alternative energy. Alternative does not mean free.
The source is free. The processes of generating current and using the current has costs.
Is this where Captain Obvious shows up to save the day?
I think maybe that FJ is, more of a Luddite than anything else.
Sofa King is a little disconcerted that the original poster reads Ars Technica.
Sofa King also invites the original poster to take a look at this. And this.
And this.
Hi! Oh…Captain Obvious! <grumble> Everybody wants him…<mumble, mumble>
So, Fatherjohn, I don’t think anybody, except in hyperbole, really says solar power collection is free. It still seems to have its advantages, though, don’t you agree?
“Electricity generated with the help of solar panels is for the end user approximately a factor of 4 to 5 times more expensive than electricity generated by conventional sources . . . .”
Source: KPMG Bureau voor Economische Argumentatie
So let’s see… so far, the total amount of material that Ol’ John has contributed to this boards can be summed up into two sound bites:
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SUV’s roll over easier.
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There’s no such thing as a free lunch.
Out of 162 posts, all he’s managed to say is stuff that’s common sense to everyone else.
However, he’s made a claim… that the electricity gained by solar power isn’t free. As an example, he’s pointed out that you have to pay for the actual cells and batteries and other equipment that make solar panels work.
I’m surprised that he didn’t mention the effort that must be expended to mount the solar panels atop a house (or wherever you’re putting them), not to mention the wasted electricity that your brain must generate in the mental work necessary for you to appreciate them.
Anyway… congrats, Ol’ John, I hereby grant you this Diploma, signifying you’ve graduated kindergarten. Now, be careful in 1st grade, because there’s stuff like math and science and - gosh! - common sense being taught there. Good luck!
Ok, but if somebody wants to put solar panels on their house, how does it affect you?
:rolleyes:
<cough cough> ground clearance <cough cough>
Excuse me, fatherjohn must remember not to drink coca-cola while reading messages posted by SPOOFE Bo Diddly
That’s a rebuttal? Is that somehow supposed to convince the world that you’ve “demolished” my points? Or is that just the grunting you make while masturbating over nude pictures of Roseanne?
Feel that buzzing in your head? That’s known as “thought”. I’m sorry if I stir up too much of it in that little bowl of tapioca you call a brain.
SPOOFE, you know Fenris hates to contradict you, but Fenris must. fatherjohn nas also contributed this gem…this pearl of wisdom:
That epigram would be a third item, and Fenris believes that if you look into your heart, you’ll see it’s the precious nugget of wisdom that Fenris does.
Fenris
Oooooh, a Dutch source! Colour me convinced!
Look, dweeb. I know what my electricity bill looks like. I pay about 15% per kWHr more for “green energy”. Not 400%. Trust me. And I am an end user, since I didn’t notice a nuclear power plant on my balcony the last time I checked.
Now, Coldfire shall leave you to ponder on this new information. Coldfire is not amused by your ramblings. Coldfire likes truthful statements. Coldfire’s gonna throw up now - this third person shit is making him ill.
sigh*
I’d vowed I was going to stay out of this one, because it was only a half-assed pit rant rather than a genuine debate.
Well, the problem with comparing alternative or green energy sources to the traditional energy sources is that the cost accounting is a bit skewed. Traditional energy sources carry some very real costs with them that we all accept without question. Fossil fired plants? They produce all sorts of NOx and SOx and other emissions that contribute to acid rain, and help produce those ozone alert days that are starting to happen with alarming frequency where I live. Nuclear plants? Once built, they produce electricity fairly cheaply — but we all live at increased risk because we are utilizing a fuel that produces wastes which have the potential to create a catastrophe if the fail safes fail. These are, IMO, very real and significant costs — but we don’t put a dollar value on them and charge them to the source.
Incidentally, there are situations where electricity produced by solar energy IS the most economical choice. The entire world is not conveniently connected to the power grid like your home is, FJ. Photovoltaics generated electricity can be a Godsend in third world nations, allowing electricity for refrigeration, lighting, and pumping where there is no power plant available. (Yes, I know that diesel generators can do the same thing. They also require the delivery and storage of fuel, which is not always easy in remote locations.) Even in the power-grid heavy US, there are applications where stand-alone PV power systems make sense. If you build a house in a remote location, Ye Olde Power Company doesn’t just jump at the chance to run power lines out to your homesite. Plan on paying on the order of $10,000 per mile that new lines must be run. Wanna put the big bucks in a stand-alone system for your house, or pay it to the power company (and plan on being last on their priority list when there are power outages to repair.)?
Not all PV systems have to have banks of batteries, either. Stand-alone ones do; utility interconnected systems do not. This type of PV system will provide your home’s electricity needs when the sunlight is adequate, and at night or at times when your system won’t meet your needs, the system will automatically switch over to provide electricity provided by the local utility. When your system produces more than you need, your system will reverse and put voltage back out onto the utility lines. (Which they are required by law to buy from you, under the Public Utility Regulatory Policy Act. However, they aren’t require to buy it at a decent price — in many states, they are only required to pay their marginal cost of power production. Some may argue that this is fair; however, it ignores the fact that PV systems provide additional peak demand capacity, which is actually a very valuable commodity. Some states, however, require net metering — that is, if you pay $0.10 per kWh you purchase, they must pay $0.10 per kWh you provide back to them.)
If you are genuinely interested in learning something about the subject, I could direct you to sites like this or this, but it seems pretty apparent that you wouldn’t want any facts to get in the way of your prejudice.
As others have posted, what’s it to you if others choose to utilize a fuel source which has far lesser environmental impact than other sources? I salute Coldfire and others who put their money where their mouths are and support more environmentally safe energy sources.
I got carried away with myself trying to bring some facts to the argument. Let me try again, with the help of a friend:
I’d vowed I was going to fuckin’ stay out of this bullshit one, because you are one scabby bastard and that piece of shit was only a half-assed pit rant rather than a genuine debate.
Well, the fucking problem with comparing alternative or green energy sources to the fucking traditional energy sources is that the fucking cost accounting is a bit skewed. Traditional energy sources carry some goddamn real costs with them shits that we all accept without question. Fossil fired plants? Don’t make me ask again. Them fellaters produce all sorts of NOx and SOx and other emissions that contribute to fuckin’ acid rain, and help produce those ozone alert days that are starting to fuckin’ happen with alarming frequency where the fuck I live. Nuclear plants? Huh? Huh? Wanna burn? Once built, them nutsacks produce electricity fairly cheaply — but we all live at increased risk because you are one shit-ass bastard and we are utilizing a fuckin’ fuel that produces wastes which have the fucking potential to fuckin’ create a catastrophe if the fucking fail safes fail. Seriously, I should slam your anus. These are, IMO, goddamn real and significant costs — but we don’t put a motherfucking dollar value on them shits and charge them shits to the fucking source.
Incidentally, there are situations where the fuck electricity produced by solar energy IS the fucking most economical choice. Wanna burn? The fucking entire world is not conveniently connected to the fucking power grid like your sorry home is, FJ. You are a bitch. s
Burned by the Burnmaker!
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Pot? Kettle?
Johnny L.A. is sorry. Johnny L.A. couldn’t resist. Johnny L.A. was just channeling father:wally.
