I hate to detract from the humorous atmosphere of this thread so far, but…
If you were to get some kind of tubing and copper wire (who knows, maybe you can get that free off the side of the road somewhere…not that I’d recommend that) and some water (which could be obtained freely any time it rained) there’s a small chance you may be able to make some kind of steam-powered generator. Which would be pretty much free…also virtually impossible to get to function and it would probably only have enough power to run a small motor. But if you got it to work, you wouldn’t have to pay a cent. Take that, power companies.
a. read your posts and ignore, never to respond
b. not read your posts
c. read and respond with a five word sentence and an eyeroll which speaks volumes about electricity…or the lack of electrical current in his brain
fatherjohn does not debate, nor does he concern himself with someone who presents an arguement.
Spoofe Bo Didley has mastered the art of dealing with him. Call him a dipshit, cumrag, dickwad or whatever and move on.
Keep your posts short, so when he ignores your points you don’t feel so bad. He ain’t worth the key wear.
Philster likes fatherjohn. He’s like a movie that’s so bad, you watch it because it’s funny. He’s like the PLAN 9 poster of the SDMB.
But Ol’ John wasn’t the Originator of that particular line of “thought” (if you could call it thought). However, he WAS the first (as far as I know) to think that “SUV’s fall down” and “stuff costs money” were revolutionary new ideas.
Johnny…
You forgot “whatever”. And you forgot to leave out proper capitalization.
"in 1987, epa research raised doubts about the destructiveness of acid rain. Then came the most complete study of Acid Rain ever conducted, the half billion dollar Rain were largely a myth. Among other things, the study found that lakes were, on average, no more acidic than National Acid Precipitation Assessment Project (napap), which concluded that the allegedly horrific effects of Acid before the industrial era; just 240 of 7000 Northeast lakes, most with little recreational value, were critically acidic, or “dead”; most of the acidic water was in Florida, where the rain is only one-third as acidic; there was only very limited damage to trees, far less than that evident elsewhere in the world where so2 emissions are minimal; half of the Adirondack lakes were acidified due to natural organic acids; and crops remained undamaged at acidic levels ten times present levels. In the end, napap’s scientists figured that liming the few lakes that were acidic would solve the problem at a fraction of the cost of the Clean Air Act’s Acid Rain provisions."
SCORE!!
“In 1994, a little bundle of excrement was shat, and it’s parents called it fatherjohn. It wasn’t very bright, and it soon found that it didn’t have a brain. It wasn’t worried, though, as it found that it could post random shit without ever having to worry about backing up a single fucking thing he said, or even replying to half of the arguments presented before him (much less addressing them or even refuting them). It was predicted that his existence was the result of nuclear waste bubbling up from the ground when its ‘mother’ evacuated her bowels. How or why it continues to exist is a mystery that may never be answered.”
fatherjohn wonders if the discrepancy could be explained by a subsidy
subsidy: “financial assistance granted by a government or philanthropic foundation to a person or association for the purpose of promoting an enterprise considered beneficial to the public welfare.”
Could the dutch government be subsidizing “solar energy”? Could the dutch government be requiring dutch power companies to absorb some of the costs of “solar energy”?
[sarcasm mode on] naahhhhhhhh, that would never happen in the NETHERLANDS [sarcasm mode off]
fatherjohn, the acidity of lakes and other so-called “measures” of the life-cycle of any of the MANY eco-systems on our beautiful planet are WAY debatable!
Once, when I was young and more stupid than now, I asked my father (a PhD in entomology, and a researcher for the US gov’t) about this very issue… he told me (I will here paraphrase for brevity): “Lakes, etc. may very well be adversly affected by acid rain. But we DON’T KNOW, and CAN’T KNOW for sure. Why? Because these systems have only been studied for a handful of years. The life-cycle of a lake may be measured in the hundreds of thousands of years, and a database of only a minute fraction of that time is next to meaningless!”
So, in conclusion, uh… bite me? (that doesn’t seem harsh enough, but as I’m going on ‘what my Dad tole me’ I can’t justify anything stronger… )
It is apparent to Olentzero that fatherjohn has serious issues with several different choices of lifestyle, or rather choices of lifsetyle that do not match fatherjohn’s choice of lifestyle exactly.
It is also apparent to Olentzero that fatherjohn has not, in fatherjohn’s voluminous collection of 160+ pithy, intelligent, well-considered and highly informative posts on the SDMB, provided any hints, clues, or other disclosures as to the nature of fatherjohn’s choices of lifestyle, hence providing the SDMB with an ideal which thus becomes the SDMB’s goal to achieve.
Olentzero is therefore forced to conclude that fatherjohn did not have a life previous to joining the SDMB, unless Olentzero chooses to consider fatherjohn’s sitting in the corner, rambling incoherently, picking fatherjohn’s nose, and drooling while doing so a life.
Which does not mean fatherjohn has a life now that fatherjohn has joined the SDMB. This merely proves to Olentzero that fatherjohn has progressed from an incoherent, drooling, nose-picking moron to an incoherent, drooling, nose-picking moron that has learned how to type.
Watch out everyone, fatherdumbshit is getting creative on us! Maybe the solar energy conducted into his brain through his tinfoil hat caused a spark of intelligence.
One would think that after Johnny L.A. channelled fatherschmuck that fatherschmuck would have caught on that fatherschmuck was becoming boring and repetitive.
The AlbertRose would like to thank Protesilaus for the links. The AlbertRose now understands. The AlbertRose has a new goal in life: to buy an SUV with solar panels.
Of course it is subsidized. How else do you expect for-profit companies to implement energy generating methods that (at least for now) are more costly than the conventional ones? The program as it is in the Netherlands relies on two things: a government subsidy (and an EU cover for this, but let’s not make it too complicated for fatherjohn) that enables power companies to erect windmills, install solar panels, etc., for only slightly more than erecting a comparable (in capacity) conventional plant. An incentive. A one-off (per project) subsidy. Not a continuous one.
The rest relies on the people to be convinced that “green energy” is better, and their willingness to pay 15% more for it - since the power companies STILL invest more in green methods than they do in conventional ones, relatively speaking. But a lot of these costs are start-up costs. In due time, the need for subsidisation will decrease, and green energy will be able to support its own business. We might as well get used to it - we’re burning up our fossil fuels, you know.
The main point is, of course, this: while there is a subsidy system, it does not compensate for a 400 to 500% price increase for green energy over “normal” energy. In other words: you’d better substantiate that statement already, or take it back.
You chose. But have a nice day. Coldfire now presses “submit”.
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