Friends, Romans, Drunken idiots (LONG)

Funny thread title. Enjoy, because as lame as it was, that’s the only joke you’re going to find in this rant. I’m so fucking angry right now I can barely think straight. Angry to the point of being in tears. Maybe tomorrow it’ll blow over as I see the light of day but tonight I’m too pissed.
I’m at the John Mellencamp/Wallflowers concert tonight. We get up near the front of the lawn section. Before Wallflowers come on, this drunk woman, maybe 40-50, who’s with a group right behind us comes up to me and starts picking at my shirt. I turn around and she’s just reading my t-shirt. OK, fine, I’ll play along. She stretches it out a bit and finishes reading it.
“Bullshit.” she says as she finishes.
“Huh?” I respond.
“Bullshit,” she mutters again before joining the rest of the group. I sort of smile in confusion, shrug my shoulders, and go back to my friends. The T-shirt just talks about the U of Texas, where my sister goes. Maybe she doesn’t like Longhorns. I dunno.
This woman continues to get drunker during the evening, even though she appeared to be trashed as it was to begin with. She encountered another time, I’ve forgotten what happened but it wasn’t that important.
Third time she came up to me, motioned for me to come closer. I hesitated. She wrapped her arm around my neck and whispered, “I still think that t-shirt is bullshit.” At that point I push her away, thinking this has gone beyond friendly drunkenness.
She comes at me a fourth time, later in the concert. I grab both her wrists. For a split second I can see in her eyes and movement that she thinks I want to dance with her. I twist her wrists hard and push back, forcing her back with her group. “OK, OK, Sorry,” she slurs.
Now the objects start. I got hit a number of times by plastic water bottles and popcorn. At this point I storm back to her, right into the thick of her group, and tell her, tell them all, to stop. They surround her and force me back out. The men are pointing at me in this intimidating manner, telling me to turn back around. The girls are saying “Look, you’re out numbered here 10 to 1. Don’t start anything. Go back and enjoy the concert.”
I tell them I will go to security if they do it again. If that lady touches me again I will call the authorities. “What?” one girl in the group says, confusing what I had said “call security because I’m touching you?”
Not wanting to repeat myself, I say “If I have to, I will.”
This was above was actually a combination of two seperate encounters I had with them. I’m unsure exactly of what was said in which encounter.
I go back to the concert. Five minutes later, I get hit by something. I turn around, look at them, then head off to security.
I talk to them, they help me out, and I enjoy the rest of the concert (all 20 minutes of it) in freedom. I don’t know what you did security, but thank you. Seriously, thank you.

But here’s the thing. That upset me. But they’re drunks who were too fucking drunk to think straight. Fuck them all and I’m glad I never have to see any of them again.

This rant is for my friends. The five others who were at the concert with me and never once had my back. You saw what was going on. Don’t bullshit me and tell me you didn’t. I know you saw this woman. You TOLD me you saw my confrontation (one? both? who knows) with that group. You saw me walk off to security. Never once stood with me. It was 10 against 1. Even the fucking drunk girl could see that. Fuck you all.
The ONLY thing that’s keeping me from breaking down right now is that very very very small percentage of my brain that’s thinking rationally at this point. If they had joined up that would have just made things worse. They were drunk and itching for any excuse to brawl. I’m lucky things didn’t go wrong then and it may have if more people had been involved.
But fuck you all anyway. You saw me there up against the mob and you shrugged your shoulders and went back to enjoying the concert.

Long, but truly heartfelt. Do you feel any better?

Remember the old Aesop fable about the two friends who were walking together and drew the attention of a bear?

One of them climbs a tree and hides without a thought–the other, at a loss for what to do, gives up and lays down, pretending to be dead. The bear leans down next to him and whispers in his ear, “Never trust a friend who deserts you in danger.”

buddies and casual friends are easy to come by. True, devoted friends are not. Make sure you hang onto them when you do. Hope ya feel better tomorrow.

-Ashley

That’s the problem with our society. You just can’t punch a woman.

Sure you can. Just ask Geobabe:slight_smile:

So what did the T-shirt say?

You just should have danced with chick. She was coming on to you! :smiley:

Come to a concert with me sometime Crunchy, your back would have been covered from the word go. People who don’t stand up for their friends in a jam, especially like the one you were in, don’t merit the honorific title of “friends”. Sometimes I call them acquaintances, but usually they rapidly become strangers.

pssst. [sub]Zenster it was me[/sub]

I have no earthly clue why my t-shirt was “bullshit.” It said on the front “Absolute Texas Longhorns” you know, the vodka thing.
But there is no vodka picture on it so I don’t think it was from them. Besides, isn’t “absolute” really “absolut”? ok. anyway, the back says

“The students of the University of Texas have long been admired for their academic excellence and their free spirited lifestyle. When they are not shaming their oponents on the playing field, the Longhorns are enjoying all that Austin has to offer. Whether driving home from the lake or crawling home from 6th street, students of UT enjoy the best scenery around while attending one the the nation’s top rated universities.”

Wow that’s a long t-shirt message. No wonder it took so long to read off my back. Still don’t know why it’s bullshit though.

I’m still upset by lastnight. We have a listserv set up and I’m probably going to e-mail them in a day or two.

Damn, Enderw24, that sucks. At least, you know now that the people you call “friends” are no more than people you know. Real friends would have had your back without hesitation. Shoot, I don’t know you, but I would have stepped in and calmed their shit down because a)I’m good at stopping fights (I’m short, but I’m mean), b)nobody fucks with people in my company on basic principles. [sub]something you learn early when you’re gay[/sub]

And it also sucks that assholes like the ones you encountered can’t get drunk without causing trouble. Why can’t people learn to handle their highs? If people are going to get drunk and/or stoned, why the fuck can’t they just lean back and groove to the music and watch the pretty colors on the backs of their eyelids without starting aggressive shit?

Maybe she was a Sooners fan.

The last part of your rant really says it all.

something I saw in another thread on this board…

a friend will help you move…
a good friend will help you move bodies…

I really hope that your friends have a really good excuse.
Sorry that you got pissed on like that. I hope that you feel better soon.

I must have good friends because they were always good to watch my back or stand to the left and right if needed.

I could loan you a couple…

I have a lot of friends that I’m very close to, but if one of them went up to a bunch of ten drunken assholes at a concert and picked a fight, even a justified fight, I’d be right behind him. About a hundred yards right behind him. The last time I threw a punch at someone was on the playground in fourth grade, and I hope to keep it that way.

In my book, friendship does mean standing behind a friend in a fight if that fight can’t be avoided. But it also means saying, “Man, let it ride” if it’s obvious that said friend is going to be pissing gasoline on hot embers. Your friends went to a concert, not a bar brawl. Why not go to Security first?

To make it short, I think you’re partly at fault here. You had a perfectly reasonable alternative – going to Security – which eventually worked well. Instead, you expect your friends to cluster menacingly behind you while you attempt to reason with very drunken people. That isn’t a recipe for defusing the situation.

That shirt is bullshit!

(Come on, somebody had to say it.)

<Bounces an empty Bud Light can off the back of Ender’s head>

Heh, and my dad worries about me going to punk shows. :smiley:

I can’t believe how calm I was remaining through the entire thing. One guy in the group was just pointing at me and I could tell he was thinking “yeah man, yeah, I don’t know what the hell this is about but I’m gonna be pissed at you. Yeah. Wanna fight? Huh? Do ya?” I was waiting for him to take a swing. You can be sure as hell I wasn’t going to throw the first punch.
That’s the thing. I don’t get into fights, well, at all. I’m sure I could defend myself if it came down to it, but I’m not one looking for trouble. Neither are my friends. So I can’t necessarily blame my friends for not exactly knowing how to react in this situation. Hell, I had no idea what I was doing.
But it’s not like they were saying “Oh shit, there he goes again. I’m not bailing him out this time.” They saw the situation and then they ignored it.
so Finagle, I understand your point about them not wanting to get involved here, but it’s not even about them joining up when i confronted the group. It’s that they saw I was in trouble during the concert and didn’t bother to ask what was going on, what they could do to help. They asked after the concert and when I got pissed, just shrugged it off as if it were no big deal. There were a number of things they could have done to help me and NOT exacerbate the situation. They didn’t.
I’m not entirely without blame. But I’m still upset with them.

Ahhh. Dealing with drunks. What fun.

It looks like you had to deal with two kinds.

First off you had the overly obnoxious gregarious drunk in that woman who kept bothering you. Then she became hostile.

I think the fact that she became hostile is your doing, if not your fault.

The mistake I think you made was treating the drunk as if they were a reasonable person who was going to be polite and respect your boundaries. But, a drunk is generally incapable of being embarassed.

The big mistake was twisting her arms and pushing her away. Sober, that’s not something most people are gonna let lie, and drunk… never.

A drunk person generally plays off of emotions and reactions, not logic or reasonableness. The best way to deal with a drunk person is to be completely neutral, and uninteresting.

Instead of twisting and pushing her arms, you should have just smiled, said “maybe later” and walked away.

A drunk is neither worth hostility, not is it an effective tactic.

Going over and reasoning with them is not an effective tactic.

Being neutral and firm is, as is calling security.

When she was playing with your tshirt, you shouldn’t have allowed it. You should have told her in a freindly way “to look, not touch.”

When she said it was “bullshit,” she was obviously looking to start something. Looks like she did.

I would have just shrugged and nodded, maybe said “Yeah, but I needed a shirt and it was clean.”
There are no middle measures with a drunk and obnoxious person. You’ll either need to appease them or call security or forcibly remove them every time.

This summer, when I was home in the DC Area from Texas A&M (as any Aggie can attest, the Longhorns are indeed “Bullshit”:)) me and some hometown buddies went on a road trip to a college Town where they were having a Concert/Festival thingamabob.

As we were leaving the coliseum, the windows of my friends * Brand New** Range Rover were down 'cause it was hot out, and we were playing the stereo loudly (so was everyone else, sue us).

Suddenly, out of no where, this drunk guy appears leans into the Naviagtor side window (with my VMI Buddy cursing and threatening death upon him) and * pukes in the car*.

Not very nice. Especially as it was a new car.

VMI Buddy punched him in the face…reeeeeeeeaaalll hard. VA Tech buddy (who’s in the Corps of Cadets there) gets out, starts yelling. Georgetown buddy (Rover owner) gets out, starts yelling.
AggieGhost (me) gets out, starts yelling.

Drunkards buddies come up and start yelling at us, they out numbered us 6 to 4.

Sadly, it seems that none of them have been in a Military Acadamy atmosphere before, and a year of getting yelled at, doing a 104 pushups, running a crapload of miles, really toughnens a guy up.

The buggers charged us. Much to my surprise, we beat the crap out of them. Security came by, witnesses told them what happened. Had to answer a crapload of questions to both Security and the Cops. Got let off (didn’t press charges. They got a night in the drunk Tank though).

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Good ol’ Texas A&M sense at work.