Fringe: Concentrate and Ask Again

Clearly there needs to be a menage a tois.

As soon as she mentioned Fauxlivia wearing dresses, I knew that Olivia would be wearing a dress later in the episode.

I didn’t notice. I did notice her wearing a glove when she swiped her key card.

We noticed the same thing. I wonder if they’ll give Fauxlivia her photographic memory somehow.

That was a very well done moment.

The one moment I didn’t like was when mind reader guy is crotched on the floor at the fundraiser, and gives Olivia the “All OK” signal. I guess he nodded his head, but he was shaking his head so much that it seemed like he was shaking his head no, indicating there was another perp still at large.

You’re not misremembering. It happened during season one.
Why is our bowling guru so sure that Peter’s choice is so siginicant? Sure, chose one girl or the other, but why does it necessarily follow from that that he will use the machine afterwards? Can’t he pick a girl without ever being the battery to power the machine? I’m just wondering if something is being telegraphed here: he’ll need to use the machine to save one or the other, thus making his choice that way…

Maybe Sam’s full of shit? A demons twist rusts!

She was already an incredible shot; real Olivia nailed a head shot on a guy in a speeding van from an odd angle at what, thirty yards or so in a previous season.

Just what I was thinking - IIRC, it was two cyborgs that she headshotted in a moving van, and she may have been running while she did it. It really pissed me off that they later made such a big deal about only Fauxlivia being a great shot!

As much as I like Sam, the whole Peter’s choice plot seems incredibly contrived, and like it was shoehorned in. Sure, we’ve been seeing Olivia and Peter struggling with the situation, but that was a personal, character-driven angle. Then suddenly we just get a wholesale infodump from the resident wizard that lays it all out in such a pat way? It went over like a lead balloon.

I’m also having some trouble with Peter possibly being in love with the cold-blooded murderer who raped him.

:rolleyes:

He’s not in love with her, he still has feelings for her. Human emotion is not something you can erase with logic.

She’s not a cold-blooded murderer. She’s a spy.

Calling that rape cheapens actual rape.

She killed that deaf guy simply to advance her assignment, and when his blood started seeping out from the bathroom, she put the moves on Peter to distract him. I don’t see how that’s not cold-blooded murder.

And yeah, Peter is probably not as traumatized as he’d be after a violent rape, but “rape by deception” or “rape by fraud” is a real crime, and it makes sense - the victim did not consent to have sex with the perpetrator.

I can understand him having immensely confused feelings about Fauxlivia. I just think it’s a bit much to hang the fate of two universes on him maybe choosing her over Olivia.

Oh, and that was me, not Cuckoorex.

It’s her job? She thinks the existence of her entire universe is at stake? She’s not doing it for shits and giggles? Yeah, there’s some questionable morality, but someone who kills as part of their government job such as a soldier or spy is not quite in the same category as someone who kills for fun or out of anger.

Crime yes. Deceit yes. Fraud yes. Bad yes. Rape no. Lack of consent? Not quite the same as against consent.

I can’t disagree with that.

Not sure how that happened.

If pretending to be your identical twin to sleep with your twin’s girlfriend can get you charged with rape, it’s hard to justify this as not being rape too.

Your own link says:

But even assuming her situation was more like Peter’s, I think it would be a bad policy to call this crime rape. I also think it’s a bad policy to call other sexual crimes rape, such as statutory rape. There are a ton of bad and/or illegal things one can do that are sexual in nature, but calling all of them rape is at best inaccurate and at worst kind of insulting to victims of actual rape.

Calling it rape is like calling it murder if Peter jumped in front of a car to save her life, thinking it was the real Olivia.

…that’s a really interesting thought.

What if The Machine’s first use split the two worlds apart and now, Peter (why Peter?) can be used to bring the two universes together again, or destroy one?*

Whoa, big fella…the legal argument equates “lack of consent” the same as “against consent”. Your argument would mean you think banging the passed out drunk girl is NOT date rape???It is the same thing, at least in the legal sence

For now, that’s what I’m thinking.

I meant to say, lack of informed consent is not the same as lack of consent or against consent.

My prediction for the next big twist: Peter and Olivia bump uglies, then there’s a cut to Fauxlivia sitting on a toilet with a somewhat worried expression on her face* and she holds up the home pregnancy test strip and her eyes get really wide…

*Anna Torv always looks like she’s got a slight smile, no matter what she’s experiencing or saying. Could be, “Hey, thanks for the coffee,” or “Your daughter only has 8 minutes to live,” and it still looks like she’s barely containing a smile.

So, do you think it’d be a surprise pregnancy? We were divided a couple of episodes ago when the possibility came up.

It would be more of a surprise if she wasn’t pregnant.

Sorry, what I meant was do you think she would be surprised or not? Considering the watcher’s “it must be hard to be a father” comment it’s not surprising that there’s a lot of talk about a possible pregnancy (google “fauxlivia pregnant” for tons of speculation) but:
Some of us think it could be part of Walternate trying to form a backup plan (be it to use a baby to power the machine, or to manipulate Peter into coming back) or she could have accidentally gotten pregnant. Which do you lean towards as how they’d go?

Don’t you get it? Using rape as the name for anything other than marauders who storm into town, kill all the men, take all the stuff, and have their way with all the women, only cheapens the term.

So if Peter chooses correctly we can live in a world with coffee and blimps equally common? Sweeet.

What probably happened is that Walternate sent her over figuring that she’d probably fall for him, have sex, and get pregnant. He probably didn’t tell Fauxlivia this. Of course this plan could only be assured to succeed if Peter doesn’t believe in condoms or Walternate knew that Peter used an inferior brand that would likely break. :smiley: