For all of you who were not already aware, Disney animators SUCK. All of the goodness that Walt Disney created and inspired somehow went down the tube after he died. When I say DISNEY SUCKS, I am in no way referring to the wonderful animations that they created in the days long past. It is only with recent Disney(sucks) animations did they qualify themselves as plagiarising assholes.
Bullshit. Do a boardwide sarch on the subject (I really don’t feel like dealing with this shit over again, so I’m not going to do it for your lazy ass), read the debunkings from people who actually, y’know, don’t have their heads up their asses, and stop living up to the worst stereotypes of anime fans, you hygene-deficient, mentally and emotionally unbalanced, socially inept twerp.
Furthermore (thank you, Tengu), what does this have to do with the quality of the artwork? The animators don’t write the script or come up with storyboards, you know.
Are you certain there’s no case to be made for this being the reason you’re spending all that time overseas? Perhaps you’re really on the run from the Disney police.
First they catch you.
Then they try you. Snow White is the presiding judge (she’s learned how to handle miscreants with those darn dwarves). Maleficient is the prosectutor. You get Goofy to defend you.
Then, when you’re found guilty, you’re sentence is to spend 10 years as ‘third bear on the right’ at Bear Country Jamboree.
Hey, it’s either that or be one of the imprisoned pirates on the Pirates of the Caribbean ride.
People, obviously honesty and integrity doen’t have a place in your hearts.
Tengu,
Relax. If you don’t feel like opening your mouth, DON’T. Your an anime guru…neeeeeeeeat Who cares, Disney sucks! Face it, and plagairising sucks, that’s the only point I made. I don’t know why you are fightin’ a battle that was over before you even posted. Your burnin’ alot of rubber but you aren’t going anywhere. Poppin’ the clutch.
Spoofe,
The animators contributed to the suckiness. LOOK! Did I mention the quality of the illustrations? No? I didn’t? Well…THEY SUCK!!! Actually, I’ve never seen it, can’t say.
Arden ranger,
Even if I was praising McDonalds, I don’t remember if I was, I didnt care to check(cause I could give a fuck), just because I drive a Ford doesnt mean I’m gonna drive around in my Firestones waiting to die. Comprende? At that point I had no Idea that Atlantis was a photocopied piece of shit. What the fuck does it matter if I’ve seen it or not? Is it that good that somehow it won’t matter to me if it was an unoriginal knock-off? If it were marketed as a remake, it would have been honest. Their deception sucks.
Atlantis uses elements from the actual legends of the mythical Atlantis in the movie. Crystals. Central Powersource, advanced, long lived race that met an untimely demise when they let their egos override their commonsense
Anyone that uses those for anything except Atlantis are ripping off and plagerizing Edgar Cayce, are they not? Including your precious Anime-*which, based on the ones I’ve seen, haven’t got an origional storyline among them that’s worth a shit.
[*freely admitting I’m not a big fan of Anime, or at least the Anime I’ve been exposed to]
OK I looked at your links. The animation clearly does not suck. Every Disney picture had equal or superior quality to the anime it was compared with.
As for the charge of plagerism, if its true let them sue. If not, shut up. Disney makes adaptations of stories, its all they ever did. If two adaptations of the same story look similar, well, duh.
Verrain, the basis of my flame was clearly the plagiarizing of Nadia by Disney. I could give a fuck whether the the illustration sucks or not, cause that’s definitely not the point. The point is how similar the characters were to one another in physical appearance. In the four years it took to make the damn thing, Disney couldn’t at least have been original in the that at least. So they made the girl a blonde, and they made the kid older, but they got real lazy with the black guy, the blonde woman, and the mustache guy, didn’t they? But heck, who knows? Maybe it was authorized.
And my basis of refuting your flame, is that when two people make adaptations of similar legends and stories its a big no brainer, duh, that the characters end up looking alike. Let me ask you this, wishbone. Has there been any word from the people who made Nadia about all this? That’s the group of people who should be making a fuss about all this, and I haven’t seen anything that indicates they are.
Yes, of course, the fact that they have the same defining characteristics means it MUST have been stolen!
Look: first, the blond chick. Animators have four colors to choose: blond, brunette, red, and black. I’m guessing they already had three of the four, so they made the captain blonde.
Mustache Guy: Yes, of course the fact that they have goofy mustaches means that they’re the same animation. Have you seen the commercials? The mustache guy is a goofy, comic-relief character. Hence, goofy facial hair.
And the black guy. :rolleyes: (sidenote: I think this is the first black leading character Disney has already employed). The fact that he’s black could mean that he’s copied off of OJ, for chrissakes. In fact, looking at the pictures, Atlantis’ black character looks more like a football player than the other guy, who looks old and skinny.
Get your head out of your ass. No piece of art is completely independent, but just because two pieces of art share design aspects doesn’t mean that one copied the other.
The animators are told to draw something by the producers. They draw it. Period. They don’t (necessarily) design the movie. Methinks you need to educate yourself on how a movie is made.
So, based on a handful of stills from the movie (which probably compromise 1/10,000th of the actual movie), you feel justified in concluding that it’s “plagiarism”.
Look, pal, there’s a LOT of Anime out there. A HUGE shitload. Most of it, IMOSHO, sucks ass. The few gems in that pile of crap, however, are excellent.
But keep in mind with such a large influx of material, Anime has MANY, MANY different characters in their movies. So much so that it’s difficult to NOT find similarities 'tween certain movies.
You’re going to have to offer us a bit more evidence than a few similar characters. Hell, almost every single fucking Anime cartoon includes the “nerdy guy with glasses” character. And almost every single fucking Anime cartoon has the “glowing eyes” and “magic jewel” motif. Anime is primarily a cookie-cutter, factory-produced “art” form, without a single shred of originality to it…
I, personally, have always felt that Cookie Monster reminded me an awful lot of Cthulu. Perhaps Jim Henson was ripping off Lovecraft! That dirty bastard!
Spoofe just nailed this one on the head. Most anime (Hell, most anyhting) is aimed at the ol’ Lowest Common Denominator. So, for that matter, is everything Disney makes. Rule #1 of LCD? Originality is scary. If it worked once, it’ll work another five million times. Complaining about “plagiarism” in animated movies is like complaining about plagiarism in American sit-coms. “Hey, this is just like Friends! There’s a dumb blonde, and a sarcastic gay guy, and a tight-assed boss, and a wacky neighbor, and…” Not that this isn’t a topic worthy of complaint, but don’t go pretending that Disney is the crass huckster stealing from the pure-hearted anime artists. The reason you don’t hear the makers of Nadia or Kimba, the White Lion complaining about being robbed by Disney is because they’ve done the same thing themselves. It’s the way the industry works.
PS: One sentence summary of 95% of all anime: Multi-tentacled monster blows up city.
PPS: For the record, Atlantis is the first Disney movie I’ve enjoyed in years. It’s not perfect, a little too cute at times, but on the plus side there are no songs and no talking animals. Plus, some things blow up real good. So all and all, an enjoyable flick.
Guys, can I just pop in here and point out that OpalCat already posted a link that ended this debate?
Additionally, I would add that I disagree with this statement:
I wasn’t sure exactly what the OP was flaming when I read it, and when I went to the first link and read through the entire page, I must admit that I still wasn’t completely certain what aspect of the movie Atlantis was being attacked. The author of that page seems to feel that Disney is simultaneously ripping off Nadia and Jules Verne to make their film. Well, of course they’re ripping off Jules Verne. They’re “ripping off” Jules Verne just like they’ve been “ripping off” the Brothers Grimm, Hans Christian Anderson, traditional Greek/Roman legends, and as many other sources as there are Disney films. That’s what Disney does-- they base their popular feature films on classic tales that resound in our existing cultural fabric. Not to mention that they’re “ripping off” Jules Verne exactly like Nadia “ripped off” Jules Verne.
Just go read the fucking link that OpalCat posted, please.
Yeah. Seems to me that those qualities also happen to be missing in a friend of ours here on the SDMB, nay, in this very thread. Here’s a hint: his name rhymes with “squishbone.”