Fuck Global Warming

I am sick of hearing about GW. Mostly because I don’t understand a damn thing about it. Is the Earth getting warmer because of human activity? I have no idea. It sounds plausible, so do many of the counter theories. I don’t have the time nor do I have the information to determine what is going on here. Further, even if it is really happening I don’t see that much I can do to change things. I checked my carbon footprint online and it is already pretty low. The only thing I can see to lower it is fly less (not going to happen) and get new light blubs (which I might try when the ones I have go bad).

But I hate hearing about a debate I don’t understand. I further hate hearing a bunch of people I know don’t understand it any better than I do debating the issue on CNN, Foxnews, etc.

This is definetly an important issue, but I don’t understand and that frustrates me.

so, your admitted ignorance on the subject means you don’t need to ever educate yourself? cool- no smokers need to find out about lung cancer, emphasemia or quittimg smoking.

Yup. Get yerself some edujumacation.

It is just too complex. I am not about to go get a PhD in climatology. I have given up any hope of understanding M-theory, too.

To be honest, I think there are a lot of people that feel the same way that **Andrew Bird ** does. It is complicated. For people not involved or haven’t had a chemistry or biology class since high school, hearing about CO2 levels and glacial-interglacial transitions makes your eyes glaze over.

I’d pick up a biology text or environmental concepts book from the library to get a handle on some of the terminology. There’s a lot of information, but it’s not so complicated that you can’t pick up a basic understanding of what’s going on and why.

[jedi]These are not the forums you are looking for.[/jedi]

Eh, that sounded a bit mean, sorry. My point is that starting a pit thread where-in you highlight your ignorance like somebody circling the tits of the Venus De Milo with a black magic marker, is not the wisest course of action for The Pit.

May I suggest that you start a GQ or GD thread instead? I also hear Al Gore’s documentary about global warming is very good.

If I read your post correctly, I think you want to learn about this topic, but you are just frustrated by your own ignorance about it. Fair enough. This happens to everyone sometimes. If on the other hand, you have zero intention of learning or even attempting to learn, then fuck yourself with a rusty crowbar and get the hell off this website.

I read the Al Gore book (haven’t seen the movie) and other popular accounts. But I don’t how to respond to issue that critics like Lindzen bring up. With say evolution vs. creationism/ID I understand why the creationists/ID’ers are full of shit. But the global warming thing is just way too complex.

True, but even after that, you end up being at the mercy of experts, who (while now at consensus that climate change is occuring and that at least a significant component of it is anthropic) still don’t agree with some of the basic mechanisms and characteristics of current and projected trends. It doesn’t help that people like Al Gore–however well-intentioned–run around explaining what is known about it in a dumbed down, half-wrong manner which (a) gives the impression that we understand more about it than we really do, and (b) opens up lines of contention for critics to pick at. (The critics would pick at something regardless, but when Gore talks about the atmosphere getting “thicker” he’s not doing anybody any favors.)

The truth is that as much as we know, our ability to model and characterize the global climate in a quantitative, accurate way is very limited. (It’s gotten significantly better over the last decade, and even in the last couple of years, but it’s still at an almost embryonic stage.) It has been aptly demonstrated that climate change, beyond what could reasonably expected in nature, is occuring, but the long term consequences are unknown. There is, as the OP notes, a fairly limited amount that individuals can do about it. Reducing one’s personal “carbon footprint” is an effective if small step, but much of the industrial lifestyle that we enjoy is predicated on the production of CO[sub]2[/sub] and other pollutants that are many times what we individually produce. And while it’s not something that most people want to hear, the vast majority of things that (some) individuals do to reduce pollution are of little practical effect. Short of returning to a pre-Industrial lifestyle–something that isn’t going to occur short of the virtual collapse of Western civilization–the public is going to continue to demand energy, manufactured goods, and other amenities in increasing quantity.

The good news is that conservation, recycling, and reduction/remediation of pollution has firmly entered the mainstream of both public and political thought, and this has had a profound influence on technological development. Most modern appliances are signficantly more efficient than their predecessors, and even the biggest gas-guzzling SUV that rolls off the lot today produces a small fraction of a compact car even ten or fifteen years ago. Fossil fuel energy producers are stringently regulated to reduce pollution, and after a long hiatus the consideration of nuclear fission power is coming back into consideration (although with its attendent waste issues).

Assuming that “peak oil” worrywarts are somewhere near correct, the problem of fossil fuels in transportation will force a solution on that front; we’ll run out of petroleum (or, at least it’ll become too expensive to burn up for a Sunday drive) and we’ll have to create an alternative. The biggest issues are finding a new chemical energy medium (barring order-of-magnitude advances in battery or closed fuel cell technology, completely closed loop electric cars will remain impractical for most), building a production and distribution infrastructure, and figuring out how to produce energy in a less polluting way (solar, nuclear, wind, geothermal, tidal, et cetera). Oh, and NIMBY…somebody is going to have to accept having windmills or a nuclear processing facility in their backyard.

So, in short, here’s what you really need to know about global warming (and is the sum total, in brief, of what the experts know about it): we don’t know how bad pumping quantities of CO[sub]2[/sub] into the atmosphere really is, but it’s at least some measure of bad, and we should do everything we reasonably (and perhaps unreasonably) can, short of actually bankrupting the industrial nations which are capable of developing alternative technology. We need to invest in research for those alternatives, encourage the use of energy efficient appliances, processes, and transportation methods. We need to encourage wide scale adoption of attitudes, lifestyles, and technologies via both example and selection of elected officials that will reduce and mitigate continued pollution, and continue to monitor the state of the global climate while developing more accuarte models and techniques. And we need to hope that the situation is not as dire as the most pessimistic polemics claim, while realizing that it is a serious issue that needs to be addressed with urgency, even if we don’t have a good handle on exactly how bad it is.

Meanwhile, practically nobody seems concerned about the depletion of groundwater sources and collapse of underground aquifers. Good luck on keeping your population alive at any temperature once your well runs dry.

Stranger

That’s ok, you don’t have to worry about it. Your grandkids will do the worrying for you.

I’m with Andrew Bird on being sick of hearing about it. The whole argument, as presented, feels like the Terrorism Alert Color Scale tm. They give these big warnings “OMFG We’re all going to die unless you all stay vigilant and combat this evil menace!!!11!” So I’m sitting here at home on my couch thinking “Ok, what the fuck do you want me to do about it then?”

I have yet to hear a global warming argument that tells me what I, as an individual, am actually supposed to do to prevent it. I am not, nor do I work for, a manufacturing business pumping CO2 into the atmosphere. I drive the same car I have had for 8 years, and I can’t afford one of these new fancy $80,000 ‘clean’ cars. I don’t fly, actually I don’t even travel outside of the state if I can help it. I don’t vote, and you can’t trust politicians so voting for one on a GW platform wouldn’t help anyway. I live in an apartment, so planting a tree out back isn’t an option.

What exactly is it we are supposed to be doing about this again?

As I understand it, we can do anything we can think of to conserve energy until we as a nation have moved to more renewable, less polluting sources. So, next time a light goes out in your apartment, consider replacing it with a long-lasting compact fluorescent bulb. If temperatures in the flat get chilly, consider putting on a sweater instead of kicking on whatever heater you may have. Turn off electronic equipment that is not currently being used (especially CRT monitors). Carpool, take public transit, or just walk if it’s possible and feasible. Simple stuff like that, if everyone in the US did it, would go a pretty good distance towards decreasing our dependence on fossil fuels.

That’s my two centicredits, at least.

JOhn.

Vote.

Convince Al Gore to run for President, I’d vote for him. He was on Futurama and has ridden the moon worm, so he’s ok in my book.

If the US were serious about cutting dependence on fossil fuels, the subsidy on gas prices would go.
As for anything an individual can do about global warming, do have a look at China’s estimated future contribution. That will massively outweigh anything individuals do.
I don’t object to briniging the subject up, but not explaining your policy on China is like not mentioning the elephant in the room.

HAHAHAHAHA. :stuck_out_tongue:
Yeah right.

A big chunk of the reason why GloboWable is so misunderstood and widely disbelieved is because of politicians hijacking the issue for personal and political gain. And now you propose to get more of these Political People involved?

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What, you think that the global infrastructures of energy and transportation can be changed without government on the wagon?

While I agree that having to rely on them isn’t the most enviable position to be in, I don’t see any way to proceed without them leading it.

Sadly, I don’t think the average citizen will do anything. “Global Warming” is one of those obscure things that the World is supposed to take care of. Most people just want to get to work, and make enough to feed the kids, make the car payment, house payment, etc.

You will not get people to all drive hybrid cars. Most people don’t recycle. Most people don’t care about changing out the light bulbs. Most people won’t carpool. It’s just not gonna happen.

Add the by products of emerging industrial nations like India and China, etc, it ain’t gonna happen.That in itself will far overwhelm any type of initiative to stop the shit.

People can bitch about us fucking up the planet for the next 30 years, nothing will change.

We’re all going to die; it’ll probably be our own fault; and what’s more, we deserve it.

What an insightful and useful comment. Thanks for sharing. :dubious:

Stranger