I don’t think Igloo’s main point was how unhelpful the staff was…I think her point was that they were chauvinistic assholes. If she wants to save money because she already knows how to do the project, why shouldn’t she go somewhere that has the lowest prices?
Now, if she’d walked in and said, “Excuse me! I want to re-tile my kitchen floor…can you, like, show me how?”
Then I’d say yes, she deserved what she got, and she should suck it up and pay extra at a “non discount store” for all the help she’s going to need.
As it is, she went in there for parts, basically. She didn’t ask anyone for help, and she didn’t expect anything beyond what was on her shopping list. In spite of this, she got a lot of gross, leering assholes making stupid prehistoric assumptions.
I think she’s entitled to be pissed off.
Sidenote: One of my pet peeves while working at a craft store were all the people who’d call up and want me to shop the entire store for them, looking for this and that…it got to the point where I’d want to scream, “GOD, WHY DON’T YOU JUST GET YOUR LAZY ASS UP AND DO YOUR OWN FUCKING SHOPPING!”
ahem Maybe I was over-reacting a bit.
The point still remains that those phone calls about “Do you have this?” can get a little old.
But I still think, overall, that Igloo should forward that letter to HQ.
I don’t buy form pro shops because I don’t know what I need, or how to use it - I go there because I DO know what I need, and know that cheap stuff doesn’t last, looks crappy, and is a waste of time to install. The leering morons, at least, serve as a tip-off for the clueless that this is not a good place to shop - in case they couldn’t tell by the quality of the goods offered. Sheesh
Oh god, you’re not overreacting. I worked at a fabric store over Christmas one year. I’ve never seen so many cranky old bitches in my life. It was the female equivalent of Lissa’s story. They’d roll their eyes at me (19 at the time) and ask to have someone more ancient help them.
The HD here is pretty good. I tend to get ignored in the tool section, but I certainly don’t get patronized that much, and I can’t imagine the male employees acting like such neandrethals. They do have a large proportion of female employees though, so that might make a difference.
happyheathen I’m just wondering, if my financial situation does not allow me to buy higher end home supplies, clothing, etc., does that mean I deserve to get leered at and condescended to? That’s like saying I shouldnt be upset if someone at McDonald’s tells me to fuckoff as they hand me my food, because, well, I get what I pay for. :rolleyes:
No, you don’t get to get leered at - that’s just a side bene of dealing with rock-bottom prices/quality/service. Think of it as a tip-off.
My point is that HD is the lowest, and one should not be surprised to find sleasebag employees therein. This in no way condones sleasebags, but does offer guidance for avoiding them.
p.s. - HD prices aren’t that cheap - the good stuff is a bit more expensive, but the big difference is the format - you should know what you need going in - not spend an hour browzing.
Neither have I, and I missed the first reference to it in the thread. I had to go back up and find it. I had assumed that someone had accused your husband of staying at home and scratching his Menards while you went out to the Home Depot.
For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t mind of Igloo leaned down and started talking to my penis. Or any female, really. In fact, I extend an open invitation to all females to talk to my penis as much as they’d like.
Just one more difference between men and women, I guess
I must not be getting the point you’re trying to express, happyheathen. Your phrasing seems to be saying to me “Lower-paid people love to stare at breasts. If you dare to go someplace where they work, you deserve to get your breasts stared at, and have no right to complain about it afterwards. After all, you can always pay out the ass for the privelege of shopping elsewhere for the goods you’ve already decided you wanted, and for the privelege of NOT having your breasts stared at.”
"My point is that HD is the lowest, and one should not be surprised to find sleasebag employees therein. This in no way condones sleasebags, but does offer guidance for avoiding them."
seems to be giving you trouble?
To recap:
HD sells crap
HD employes the lowest level of help (the “We test all applicants for illegal drug use” signs at the entrance is a big hint!)
Don’t deal with HD - go to real stores, deal with real people and real products, and you won’t need to worry whether or not the morons at HD can talk to a womans face.
This is news to most of us.
Personally, I can’t get past that people will pay some of the highest prices in town for what is often substandard stuff, then wait ten-deep in line when they really want to be working on something and could have already been out the door at a non-bigbox place. I still go there from time to time, but mainly after hours, to get odds and ends or to get stuff that isn’t graded on quality.
First off, re: all the breat comments. I realize that I was the one who made my first point about the Breast Issue (because I was relating the story chronologically), but I want to emphasize that I was not swishing and swashing around braless (with huge breasts – sorry to all that were envisioning that to be the case) in a sweatshirt. There was a scumbag quotient involved that was looking IN THAT REGION (the land of breasts), regardless of what was actually there or not. I was properly restrained for my size in a loose fitting shirt. I realize my phrasing could have left anything to the imagination. And no, I didn’t have a glob of spaghetti sauce on the sweatshirt that demanded attention at that very spot(s), even if I did yank it out of laundry.
Second, for the people sneering at me with a tone of “when you sleep with dogs don’t be surprised if you wake up with fleas,” I honestly had no idea that Home Depot was considered to be right down there with the clumps in dog shit. I’ve had (far and few between, I’ll admit) good experiences with other stores and that’s part of my angst with this particular store.
This experience was honestly so mind-boggling chauvinistic and out there that I do plan to send a letter.
Also, I do want to say that I really disagree with any kind of sentiment that implies that lower paid employees are apt to be leering-like and also that, as a woman, I should expect this to be the case. I have no doubt (from my experience and the experience of others) that leering and chauvinistic behavior has no bounds, certainly not of the wage-earning type. It’s obnoxious and not to be “expected,” no matter if you have grease stains or tailored shirts.
Fizgig, PLEASE tell me that old women do not call up a fabric store and ask you to find a certain type/pattern of fabric for them. Please. Even if it’s a lie, I just want you to preserve a tiny flame of faith in what’s left of humanity.
Just the thought of trying to find “that blue paisley with gold hearts and little bears that was with the flannel bolts last Sunday”…while on the phone with some old bat who’s too lazy to go find it herself…
God, I think you’ve just given me my worst nightmare, Fiz. Thanks.
The apparent underlying assumption that, as Igloo phrased it, "lower paid employees are apt to be leering-like and also that, as a woman, I should expect this to be the case. "
First - do not conflate my statement with those by Igloo.
Second - the more people are paid, the more responsible they tend to be - including knowing not to stare at boobs, assume women are helpless dependants, etc. - yes, such boorishness is more common among the lower socieo-economic stratus.
Third - Given that there is a corelation between income and boorish behaviour, yes you (regardless of sex) should not be especially surprised. Appalled, yes, surprised, no. Accept? never.
And, to open this rant to a whole new vista:
What we have seen is the usual/typical reaction to a problem:
Women wish to discuss/disect/form consensus on the original offense.
Men wish to find a solution whereby the offense can be avoided.
You may now proceed to discuss/disect/agree on just how big of a chauvinist pig I must be to have typed above.
From my perspective, you are giving yourself too much credit if you think you’ll be spoken about or even debated. Throwing around some opinions (I’m sorry – were they facts? Even thought it’s the pit, I’d need some backup, here) doesn’t do it.
I will, however, mini-debate you and ask if you missed the part where at least twice i said in this thread that I intended to write a letter to corporate. This point seems to half-combat your issue about women not wanted to find a resolution. Did you really mean to say that men wanted to find a solution so that they could avoid the problem?
