Fuck Joe the Plumber.

http://news.yahoo.com/daughter-of-newtown-victim-speaks-out-against-joe-the-plumber-135839094.html

God, I thought his 15 minutes were up. The nail clipping from my small toe has demonstrated more intelligence than anything that came from this idiot. (My toenail clipping is just an imbecile.)

Joe, I don’t know if you noticed but your idiotic comments didn’t swing the election. You are irrelevant. Just go away and be gone forever.

I, for one, applaud the courage it took for you to make this post at this board.

Thank you for your brevity, it is a good start.

I’m banned from the NRA board for actually making an intelligent observation. The right of LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness preceded the Constitution in the establishment of this country. A bunch of crazy gun nuts shouldn’t infringe on that right.

I applaud your bravery. Even with scum like Joe the Plumber, we have protect the rights of idiots to LIVE. I have the courage to protect innocent people before I protect the rights of a bunch of gun manufacturers and those that buy into their propaganda.

Which NRA board is that?

Not even with* your* toilet plunger.

Soul wit.

Win.

I just don’t get how gun ownership has become such an “all or nothing” proposition. Yes, it’s enshrined in the Constitution, but so are other rights that we habitually and legally regulate - speech is regulated at the point that it presents a danger to others, the press is “regulated” in the sense that journalists don’t have the right to libel others, etc. If we can happily accept regulations on these inalienable rights, as a condition of the safety and well-being of our fellow citizens, then why can’t we require background checks on private gun sales? Or a temporary gun restraining order for the Adam Lanzas and Elliott Rodgers of our nation? Or a law allowing police to temporarily remove guns from the homes of domestic violence suspects?

Mind you, I’m a gun owner. A whole safe full of guns, in fact. I like guns. But I don’t love my guns more than a grieving parent loves the child he just lost to a crazy person.

A lot of these guys (and more importantly the press outlets that amplify them) don’t want any restrictions on the press.

They want to push the idea that the Bill of Rights is something that can’t be rewritten even to get guns out of the hands of madmen. (An inalienable personal right to a firearm is not even remotely what the Second Amendment actually says, but we’re talking about public perception here.) If you can get people to accept that, even at the cost of making their communities terrorized “warzones,” it’s a trivial matter to get them to accept that simply owning a printing press, or radio station, or the like gives you freedom to say whatever you want, and sell access to your media at inflated prices.

I’m becoming more and more convinced that what actually makes American politics so broken is the media. Advertising outlets (local television stations especially) are the ones actually collecting most of the money from political bribes, but they try to spin it like their industry is innocent.

Bingo! I thought from the start that the Teabaggers are the same halfwit malcontents we’ve seen for years. They just became the flavor of the month for corporate media. And I always rage at the the TV when, after seeing story after story about, say, the Kardashians, a talking head asking, in all seriousness, why people are paying them so much attention. I’m not, you clueless asshole! You’re the one who keeps bringing it up!

Agreed!

Before the cable TV explosion there were no whacko loudmouths in American politics!

Why can’t we go back to the days of the 50s and the 60s when there was no political extremism, half the country didn’t hate the President and people didn’t complain about the country being ripped apart!

Sone of the youngsters on this MB can’t understand what it was like before cable TV and the internet, and so they assume that things must have been different, probably better. Anyone who was alive during the 60s laughs at the idea that we’re somehow a fractured country today whereas we weren’t before. They don’t know what it was like to see riots in the streets and on campuses pretty much all the time. A president who actually would have been impeached and removed from office if he hadn’t resigned.

Why, in my day…

You can’t expect them to understand the limitations of a kerosene powered technology.

Preach it, gramps!! :slight_smile:

Get off my LAN!

Why can’t Democrats have comedic performance art like this? Pedro the migrant worker, Goldstein the Wall Street banker, Luna the Wiccan, something.

Many of my friends these days are turning 50. I’m extremely jealous.

And you can’t use your second amendment rights as a defense against robbing a bank with a gun. There are already laws against using guns to cause harm to others, and no one is advocating that your second amendment rights are being violated by those.

The restrictions are more analogous to restricting how big a printing press you can own, needing a background check if it can be used to print in both color and black and white, etc.

Just owning a gun is not a harmful misuse of its power, the way that libel or bomb threats are a harmful misuse of speech.

Meanwhile, I’m becoming more and more convinced that gun rights are a big “Look Over Here” issue for politicians. If the Average (not Joe, the damned Plumber, let’s go with) Abe is busy focusing on the Lefty Libtards Who Are Plotting to Take His Guns, maybe he won’t notice that the party he votes for is busy cutting taxes for the “Job Creators” while Abe’s taxes remain the same. Maybe Abe won’t notice that his paycheck is getting smaller and smaller in real dollar terms, while the rich get unbelievably richer. If Abe and his drinking buddies are griping about some Pinko Commie Plot to increase Americans’ access to healthcare (boo! hiss!), maybe they won’t realize that they’re already paying for “socialized medicine,” in the forms of Medicare, Medicaid, VA healthcare, etc., so they might as well have access to it. If Abe is fretting over whether his son can pray at school, then he has less time to worry about whether his wife has access to a safe and legal abortion if a pregnancy puts her life at risk.

I realize that politics has always been a full-contact, brutal sport, but the current atmosphere seems so much more polarized than any point I can remember.

Guns are a “Look over here!” issue for both parties, So is abortion. So is gay marriage.