Fuck tha Police (straight outta Kent)

Warning: contains references to UK events without explanations for foreigners. Also contains language, and scenes of mild peril.

Okay, so we all watched the G20 protests, marvelling at our boys in blue’s ability to turn even mild-mannered protesters into trapped, frustrated and belligerent ones, and we all (I hope) watched aghast at the footage released of Ian Tomlinson’s assault by badgeless Metropolitan Police moments before his death. Well, not wanting to be left out of things, Kent Police have now got in on the act, assaulting, hog-tying and jailing two peaceful protesters at Kingsnorth power station for the crime of requesting a policeman’s badge number (which he is legally required to display). Watch the whole video, remembering at all times that these two women merely asked an officer for his number, and took his photograph. See if you can make it to the end without swearing at the screen.

Those not closely following UK policing tactics might demur, thinking the women’s actions needlessly provocative; well, the Police started it. Recently they have taken to deploying “Forward Intelligence Teams” or Fits to legal, peaceful protests. Their job is to capture on video and camera everyone present, as part of a monitoring programme that allows them to build dossiers on all these protesters that they can use in any subsequent prosecutions. This comes in handy when officers are injured while policing protests, for example, as they will then know who to finger. Who can forget, after all, the many grievous injuries sustained at a previous Kingsnorth protest, including the officer who was “stung on finger by possible wasp.” If that wasp had been properly surveilled prior to its vicious attack, it might now be doing porridge instead of pissing off bees and feeling up lady wasps.

Remembering of course that these are peaceful, legal protests, the point of this police surveillance is clear: its chilling effect. They want to inculcate an atmosphere of caution amongst protesters, for no better reason than that they annoy the police. Reasoning that what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, a group called Fit Watch have taken to filming, photographing and cataloguing the police right back. The police, who obviously lack appreciation for a culinary metaphor, decided that no, this wasn’t on, and proceeded to wrestle the Fit Watch members to the ground, bind them hand and foot and chuck them in prison, where they sat for four days, refused bail because they presented a danger to the “physical and mental welfare” of police officers.

Now, normally I’m not on board with anti-police rants, deriving as they usually do from situations in which the protagonist was a complete dick to one specific police officer, who understandably got annoyed. This, however, is something else. This is a pattern of behaviour, a specific policy, and it’s repulsive. Unwilling to wait until actual crimes have been committed, the police have taken it upon themselves to discourage inconvenient protest with whatever means they can think of. They are stifling political demonstrations with heavy handed and insidious means, and it’s gone beyond the fucking pale. I cringe to use the phrase, so carelessly is it bandied about, but this is the stuff of an incipient police state. For better or worse, we have decided to prize the freedom of peaceful protest, and for the police to suppress it with coercive and outright abusive acts is an absolute fucking disgrace.

And, as ever, if someone “humourously” says something like, “fuck the Police out of Kent? Ah ha ha ha ha, that is funny because ‘to fuck’ means to have sex with,” I will gut you with a salad fork and not even feel bad about it afterwards.

No, I wasn’t going to refer to the copulatory metaphor but rather surprise that the thread title was not a reference to Kent State.

Ah; having spurned uninformed furriners, I had myself forgotten about the obvious Kent/Police association in Americans’ minds. Ah well.

It seems UK cops are getting more and more like big-city American cops. They still haven’t learned that no arrest should go without a good night-sticking, though. I give it a 9.2.

If you want to the police out of Kent fucking them won’t help.

BTW where are the fucking forks?

Gotta love the media… what’s the fact they’ve got kids got to do with their arrest?

Protesters are getting more sophisticated, and the police haven’t caught up yet, meaning you get daft crap like this. I think it will change soon but it’ll need a few court cases to go through.

I generally have little sympathy for the Kingsnorth tossers - there are plenty of protesters who go tooled up in search of a ruck, they’re not all seed-munching earth mothers. In fact, Ms Apple is elsewhere described as “a die-hard anti-capitalist non-stop direct action activist”. So just the sort of person I wouldn’t mind giving a twack with a police nightstick now and again.

But the police should be accountable and this sort of thing isn’t really cricket.

Dead Badger, I think you have nailed it.

I’m not in favour of this heavy handed policing, and in particular the incidences of not displaying badge numbers seems to be on the increase (for the non UKers this is illegal). To use the same metaphor that the do gooders use for CCTV “if you’ve got nothing to hide you’ve got nothing to fear”, then this implies that an officer would only conceal their identity if they intended to illegally attack or otherwise harm protesters.

I have never been to a protest march, so I have no personal experiene of this, but all of my current reading in the media suggests that the police go to these events to aggravate the situation.

I appreciate that the police need to have the tools avaialble to deal with trouble if it breaks out, but now they approach these situations as if trouble is a certaintly and seem to indiscriminately assualt people.

Hey, give the cops a break. They put their lives on the line every day, walking into peaceful protests armed little better than knights with guns and clubs. They are at serious risk of getting shot at with cameras.

I would guess that the fact that they were detained for four days for having the temerity to be assaulted by police while behaving in a legal fashion just might put a burden on their families–requiring unplanned babysitting and so forth. Seems sufficiently newsworthy.

Ah, straight to the heart of the matter. Not a fan of human interest angles, eh? I would think their parental status is about as relevant as their history as (peaceful) activists, frankly; something people might find interesting, but that affects the egregiousness of the police’s actions not one whit.

Interestingly, despite previous denials that the police stored all of this surveillance data (comprising as it does mostly photos of the completely innocent), an officer admitted in a recent court case that they did in fact upload it all to a massive central database for future perusal, which was then ruled illegal. As with DNA tests, the cops don’t like to give up information, never mind if it’s about people who haven’t done a thing wrong. Say, who’s up for a national ID database? Hooray!

tdn, it’s worse than you know. As well as Nikons and lefty hymenoptera, officers have to contend with seditiously designed cars, communist sun and heat, and anarchist stinging nettles. Those brave, brave lads.

Except these are full-time “professional” protesters (or at least Ms Apple is).

That’s what they do.

These are not “normal” housewives protesting against a local factory… they travel round from protest to protest with the intent of causing as much distruption as possible.

They latch on to whichever cause is fasionable at the time - animal rights, stop the war, climate change - and will harrass and distrupt as much as they can. Yes, there’s a legal right to protest, but for these people the protest is an end in itself, and confrontation with the police is all part of the “smash the system” bollocks.

And the reason many police do not want their numbers visible is that their families and homes will be targeted; these are the tactics used in particular by animal rights crews in the UK, and it’s the same rent-a-mob who appear at protest after protest.

Yes we should be allowed to protest without interference, but I can’t get too exercised about cases like this… it’s all part of the game for them, and has nothing to do with the cause they are supposedly fighting for.

That’s a buttload of assumptions you’ve got there, matey. So what if they’re regular protesters? How the fuck do you know they don’t believe in their causes? As members of Fit Watch, they’re conducting an entirely peaceful and to my mind highly appropriate campaign against a ludicrously overblown police tactic. Do you have any sort of cite for your wild smears of associations with animal rights terrorists? You mildly criticise the police’s actions as “daft” and “not cricket”, then reserve your righteous ire for attacking a strawman constructed entirely of your own prejudice. Bollocks to that.

If you profess any sort of support for freedom of protest, but withdraw your sympathies from anyone who has the temerity to use it, then your principles aren’t worth spit.

Ms Apple speaks for herself, seeming articulate and far more clear minded than many. But apparently she’s a thoughtless troublemaker, and the police are world-weary victims of her remorseless “sophisticated” tactics. As the video clearly shows. cough

Which is their right, as long as they act in a lawful manner, which they were doing.

The police completely fucked this one up. They deserve to get bollocksed for it, just to encourage them to train their officers on appropriate response. How the hell do you view it as just to lock up 2 people for 4 days, because they had the temerity to ask the policeman to give his ID number, as the law requires. How about finding some cite on this supposed vulnerability that could be abused by animal rights groups?

That’s the reason the police give, and is one I’ve heard from friends who are policemen.

It might not be a valid concern, but it is one that is sincerely held by many officers. Not all policemen are baton-wielding robocops… and they do get many personal threats made against them at protests.

World-weary, abolsutely. When she was locked up in 2002 for protesting at an arms fair (note the direct link to climate change there) the judge did so “to give society a rest” from her antics.

You may view her as a tireless supporter of freedom, which is fair enough. I disagree based on nothing more than a few internet links and my previous interactions with simliar “protest tourists” (and people in my town who worked in Huntingdon and are well aware of the actions of “peaceful” direct-action types).

Still, anecdote != data and Ms Apple is no doubt a paragon of restraint and decency who is unfairly maligned by the shock troops of the NWO.

You appear to be right on one point - it is not a valid concern:

"The new chief inspector of constabulary has told MPs that it is “utterly unacceptable” for police to disguise their identifying numbers while policing demonstrations.

Denis O’Connor, a former Metropolitan police officer and chief constable of Surrey, told MPs on the Commons home affairs select committee that there was no rationale for it and it was a practice that would cease."

So, you have police breaking the law (it’s a requirement for plain clothes officers to be identifiable by the public), but you reckon that locking people up for pointing that out is perfectly reasonable?

Wallenstein, where are you getting your information? Who was it that described Apple as “a die-hard anti-capitalist non-stop direct action activist”? Who told you she was a full-time professional protester? (Are there actually people paying her to protests for forty hours a week?) You’ve said you got some information from the police and from friends of the police. Did you seek other sources of information to corroborate it?

I’m sure you realize somebody out there is saying “I’ve heard everything about this incident. I talked to twenty different protesters who were there and they all said the police were completely wrong and the women were completely innocent. So it must be true if that many people are saying it.”

I saw her described as that on a couple of activist websites - she’s also described as a “lifelong campaigner on peace issues and against the arms trade” and been arrested many times (double figures). That phrase “lifelong protester” is what I mean by a professional protester… i.e someone who’s whole life is defined by the protest community, which is why they flit from arms fairs to anti-israel protests to Climate Camp or Plane Stupid.

It’s a specific UK subculture and once you are in it’s less about what you’re protesting than about the fact of the protest itself. Baiting the police is all part of the game.

In this instance I’ve no doubt that they were unfairly treated under the law, but being arrested is par for the course for this type of protester.

It may shock you to discover this, but it is possible for people to hold strong opinions on more than one matter at once. I, for example, have seven, and only four of them relate to the proper preparation of a fried breakfast.

Double figures of arrests, eh? Presumably all the other arrests (the ones that weren’t caught on camera) were scrupulously fair, despite only one conviction resulting from them. Never mind, arrest someone enough and I’m sure they’ll have done something to deserve it eventually.

Even if you can’t be persuaded that Ms Apple’s rights are worthy of defense, if you think the police attitudes she opposes doesn’t translate to policing on the street, you’re deluded. Police harrassment of amateur photographers and even carded press members has increased greatly, to the point where father-and-son tourists are having their architectural photos deleted for being terrorist aids. Like it or not, Apple is fighting for your rights even as you take the piss out of her for doing so.