Quit making my head hurt.
Slightly off-topic, but have you heard that Aaron Allston died? He was one of the best authors in the EU.
I fall into this category.
I was totally punked this April Fools, in fact, by the story that Netflix was relaunching the series.
I’m sorry - I confused you with the OP.
Are they actually eating each other or just the non-woks?
As God is my witness, I’ll never celebrate *Life Day *again!
I haven’t read much of the EU stuff in a long time but IIRC it seemed to be at its best when it was dealing with the non-major characters from the original trilogy - The *X-Wing *series and Tales of the Bounty Hunters were pretty good. Zahn’s Thrawn trilogy was OK but he’s got several writers “tic’s” that drive me to distraction (see how many times he uses the phrases “in a heartbeat” and “went straight to hell!” when somehting exciting is supposed to be happening).
You and I seem to have exactly the same take on the EU novels. Personally, I kept hoping that someone would write a Star Wars story that touched on no major characters, and nothing of any galactic importance. Something like the Cowboy Bebop or Firefly of the Star Wars universe.
Anyway, as far as the OP pitting Disney: Disney’s decision is a relief for me. It’s also not a surprise because - as has been pointed out - even Lucas didn’t respect his own canon. Seriously, the guy filled Mos Eisley with dinosaurs, had Greedo shoot first, and turned the Force into a midi-chlorian infection. Respecting the EU is so far down the list of priorities, you’d fill up the Death Star with paper before you got there.
Right? The EU was some low order of “canon” that the movies were always going to overrule. So now they lose the label of z-canon (or whatever). So what? The works still exist. They’re just labeled Legends instead of w-canon. :rolleyes:
The new Disney movies will be Canon in D, I’m going to have them played at my wedding.
Not until Episode CDLI.
Okay i dont even know how to respond. Canon!! Im beginning to hate that word. Oh yeah and to whoever said the eu is for nerds can go jump off a cliff. For us REAL star wars fans the novels, comics etc. are what we turned to when wanted more of the story. The novels filled the storyline in damn near perfectly. It gave us a way to explore the ST universe that the movies couldnt possible do. Everything in it is sooo amazing and makes perfect sense. Lots of fans have dug deeper into this for decades and become familiar and somewhat attached. To rip this away is tantamount to erasing a part of us and pissing on the many genius authors who have put so much into giving this to us. To anyone out there who isnt upset by this is not a true fan. If they do this it will not be star wars to me.
I’m sure all the non-true fans will live without your approval, Brican14.
I hope Disney go one step further and reference the EU from time to time, only to dismiss it.
“How did Chewbacca die, Uncle Luke?”
“A moon fell on him.”
“Wow, really?”
“No, not really. Go to bed.”
Who’s taking anything away from you? As far as I know, Disney isn’t taking every licensed product published between 1977 and a few days ago out of print, and they’re not sending goons to your house to confiscate your Knights of the Old Republic game discs and your Clone Wars DVDs and your dog-eared copy of Splinter of the Mind’s Eye. The works are still there. Why does it matter if the corporation that currently owns the license no longer considers them to be factual in relation to a group of movies that almost never referenced them and never made any significant effort to accommodate their existence in the first place?
On a side note, I find it amusing how many of the people who are complaining about the EU not being canon, are similarly proclaiming about how they don’t consider most of the movies to be canon. I guess this is one of the reasons why the SCP Foundation’s motto is “There is no canon”; to stop arguments like these before they start.
It seems to me that there’s a fundamental problem in the first place with debates over canon, and that’s that we’re dealing with a fictional universe. So, when you say, “Book X is canon and book Y isn’t”, you’re not actually saying that the events of book X happened and the events of Book Y didn’t, because obviously, none of it happened.
So, really, when you say “Book X is canon”, what you really mean is that, if somebody’s making a future work set in the fictional universe, they shouldn’t include information that contradicts what happened in Book X, or, if they do, at least come up with some reason.
So, Disney’s saying that they’re going to forget about that. But as far as Lucasfilms is concerned, they always did that. From a 2005 quote by Leland Chee, who manages Lucasfilm’s continuity database:
And Lucas has said:
and
So, since Lucas and his people didn’t feel bound by the books and comic books and games and whatever anyway when writing this story, the only real change is that future derivative works won’t have to be bound by them either.
If Christina Hendricks were cast as Mara Jade, they would definitely ask her to lose weight.
Then her breasts would no longer be cannons.
Except it really isn’t.
The idea that any set of new writers should be beholden to continuity canon in any universe needs to be dispensed with. Stories are about storytelling. If you need to change canon to tell a new story do it without hesitation.
The list of truly, truly great movies that freely changed, altered, or totally dispensed with huge chunks of the “canon” and source material would be too long to list here. A movie must stand on its own merits, and if that means deviating from the canon, great.
There’s also the problem that the novels pick up **right after **the events in “Return of the Jedi,” which would require a casting change - Hamill, Ford, Fisher et al. are too old to do that - so you might as well accept that that isn’t gonna happen.
If you plan on pouring half a billion dollars into making some movies, and that’s a LOW estimate, tying your screenwriter to some cheap paperback written 28 years ago is fiscal irresponsibility that borders on insanity. Not that you can’t blow the movie anyway (cf. The Phantom Menace) but why start with a disadvantage?
Well, I say otherwise.
Of course you would, being a panda and all :rolleyes:
Wasn’t this obviously going to happen? It was either this or the new films had to follow the EU. They chose wisely.