So what sort of honey were you suggesting? What should we do?
Morbid as it sounds, where is this video? I can’t locate it.
Not that I need any more info to hate these assholes…
Sam
I’m not going to link to it, but if you are familiar with a website that starts out with “consumption” in the URL you can find it there.
I’m not glad I watched it. :mad: 
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GaWd, maybe you can shed some light on why someone would want to watch this? Certainly, it’s not a nameless, faceless killing that you can shrug off easily. We know that he had a pregnant wife, a loving family…we feel as if we KNOW Daniel Pearl. And it’s also not (I understand) a glossy, John Woo film killing…it’s brutal.
Why in the world would you want to watch it? I’m really honestly curious, especially since you already feel hate towards the perpetrators
Why would I want to watch it? Because it’s there. Because it’s been talked about for months, but never been described like it was in the thread.
It’s simple human curiousity. I’m curious about everything. I’ll listen to Mozart’s Requiem to get a glimpse of God, and I’ll read about what the Manson “family” did to the Folgers and to Sharon Tate and the other people to see evil at work.
Am I sick? I doubt it. I may have an interest in criminals and how they get that way. About the root causes of violence. And I get sick by some of the things I’ve seen. Like reading “Masters of Death,” a newly published book by Richard Rhodes (Pulitzer Prize winner) about the Einsatzgruppen’s activities during World War II. It’s one catalog after another of hideous crimes, recounting from memoirs. I had to skip whole sections, and some of what I read I wish I could Brillo out of my head.
It reminds me of how pissed I got at Bill Clinton and the ineffectual, hypocritical United Nations over what happened in Rwanda. And at Bill Clinton and the ineffectual, hypocritical United Nations and the European Union over what was going on in Yugoslavia.
Now that I’ve read the thread about the Pearl video, I have no interest in seeing it. I can imagine enough what went on, thank you. And I’ll remember it, just like I’ll remember the images from 9/11, because I want the U.S. to continue its war against terrorism. I want to see Iraq free from Hussein (just as it should have been 10 years ago, and a big howdy and a fuck you to George Bush for letting it happen). I want to see the Palestinians free from Yassir Arafat, and given a chance to live their lives free from fear and free to choose like the people of Afghanistan are getting.
I don’t want to forget. I want to keep fresh what it is we’re fighting for.
Like you said though, you’ve heard enough that you don’t need to see it and you still won’t forget. Neither will I. I would hope that would be true for most people.
I will NEVER forget about daniel pearl, just like I’ll never ever in my whole life forget about the man in my hometown who ax-ed his wife to death in her sleep. I never saw a picture but it haunts me to this day, that her three year old was found sleeping on her bloody body wondering why mommy wouldn’t wake up.
Some things are just so disturbing and grotesque that I can’t fathom wanting to see them for real.
I saw the video on the web. I don’t know why I wanted to, but I did, I read the other thread and the describtion of what was in the video, but nothing could have prepared me for what I actually saw, it was horrible, so I join the OP with a great big FUCK YOU !
You can be so melodramatic, Jarbaby.
As Pesch said, it’s a natural phenomena in human nature…curiosity. Have you seen the video? Did you watch it?
If so, why? Why on earth would you watch something so blah…blah…you felt like you knew him…blah blah.
I don’t feel like I “knew him” fuck. before he disappeared, I didn’t even know who the fuck he was. He’s a reporter, not my kin. Hell, he’s only a reporter for the WSJ on top of that!
So don’t play some guilt game with me as if I’m some deranged individual because my curiosity led me to expect that a group of people who saw this nasty, heinous thing might know where it could be found online.
:rolleyes:
Sam
I watched it, wish I had not. It did do one thing for me. At one time I thought there was hope that maybe there is a semi-peaceful resolution to all this. I thought maybe if palestine gets there own state, they might quit or at least cut back. I know now with out doubt, there is no resolution except to kill, kill them all. Whatever demands these terroists want, we should ignore and respond with bombs. It’ll never end. The Daniel Pearl murder was gruesome and brutal, it is only one of many similar acts taking place now, and many more in the future. shame on me, for not having the ability to control my curiosity. I guess the reality of it didn’t stick, so I watched. I feel really dirty. This poor man, his poor family. I have never hated so much in my life as I hate right now, and it makes me sick to my stomach. Damn them.
“Them” who, mighty_maxx? Al-Qaeda members? Taliban members? Terrorists? Afghanis? Pakistanis? Muslims? Brown people? How do we tell who is whom? How do we make sure of it before we kill them? How do we make sure that killing them won’t engender more of them, whatever “they” are? How shall we go about it? What gives us the right so to do? How would we feel if the same punishment were called for on people who look more like us? Should we not make decisions of this magnitude when we’re not carried away by visceral disgust at depictions of slaughter?
Fuck you. Don’t even try to twist my post into something racist. Shame on you.
The first three should just about cover it.
I have no idea, never claimed to. They must be stopped, that is all I know. It won’t be easy no matter what we decide to do.
Gee matt, I don’t know…self deffense, seems to be valid reason for taking action.
Waiting longer makes these awful deeds become less awful? We should wait until it gets more out of hand? Or maybe if we wait long enough it will go away.
OK, I’m confused here. What’s oil got to do with this? They don’t hate us because we buy oil. Without us, and the rest of the west, buying oil, that entire region…well, it’d be hurting for some assetts.
spooje, a large part of the problem has to do with our support of several of the Islamic nations, nations that basically use fundamentalist Islam to divert attention away from the ruling families abuses. In example, the largest supporter of the kind of Islam that promotes the terrorists view point isn’t Iran or Iraq, its Suadi Arabia. The Saudi goverment supports it because it lets them get away with a lot of injustices, and they can afford to get away with it because the world buys their oil. Stop the oil purchase, and their goverment collapses. (Which is why I am not afraid of an oil embargo, they can’t afford it either.)
Actually, I rambled a bit. Without oil, their goverments collapse and their ruling families are gone. Those ruling families are the biggest supporters of organizations like Al Queda. You might see a little increase in terrorism as the goverments collapse, but when their main sourse of funding goes away, so do a lot of them.
Unfortunately, when the ruling families are gone, and these govenments colapse, people like the Taliban take over.
Originally by bdgr
The arguement made is that the Taliban would not have lasted nearly as long as it did (Nor should have Iran) if it weren’t for the fact that both countries were getting a lot of outside support from goverments like the Saudis. Without money, govements like the Taliban don’t last long, especially when their neighbors have money and an affluent lifestyle.
THANK YOU, PunditLisa…I was thinking this very same thing when I saw the bits of Bin Laden’s first video message.
Before you all flame me to death, let me state for the record that I am Jewish, American, and a feminist with a big mouth. Bin Laden and ANYONE else who can perform acts like these are all purely evil and should burn in Hell, if not before they make it to Hell. Plus my cousin Jimmy is an American Jewish journalist from New Jersey (quite a bit like poor Daniel Pearl, no?), and he was in Afghanistan for the first few weeks of the war, and we were pretty much all quaking in our boots until he finally made it home safely (Hallelujah!).
However, having spent significant chunks of my life living abroad, I will say that there is a common perception among non-Americans that Americans in general think they’re some pretty hot shit, and that they can pretty much throw their weight around among the “lesser” countries of the world with no repercussions. Obviously, 9/11 proved that there ARE repercussions.
Bin Laden did have a valid point that America is not the moral superior of the world, and that we Americans could use a bit of perspective in that department . I was disappointed that no media outlets picked up on that point. And yes, I know they had bigger fish to fry at the moment, but enough time has since passed that I would have liked to see an op-ed piece or two about it.
I’m not even going to bother to ask you what you mean by THAT…and it’s a sad day when you can’t feel empathy or sadness for anyone that isn’t your ‘kin’.
Holy lord christ! Talk about melodrama. I said right in my post that I was honestly curious as to why people would want to see it. Pesch answered nicely, you accuse me of sending you on whirlwind guilt trip when I did nothing of the sort. I simply explained why I couldn’t understand it, hoping someone could clear it up. Guess what…Pesch did. Not you. The GaWd doth protest too much, me thinks.
Christ, MLK, Gandhi, and Mandela all provided an alternate solution to mindless violence. I really believe that the only long-term possibility for humankind is to turn away from hate. Shit, if the Palestinians were smart they’d be organizing non-violent marches and strikes. I doubt the world could sit by and watch little children clubbed and beaten.
That said, it takes tremendous courage to die for your beliefs, to stand in front of a row of heavily armed solders with nothing but your convictions. I’m not sure I have that kind of guts, personally.
Don’t be a fool and die for your country. Make the other fool die for his country.
-General George S. Patton.