Fuck you, right to life'er

[eleanorigby]

Whynot -I don’t see the offensive guy in the light that you do. I think this guy went beyond “social buffoonery” by a long shot. tokyoplayer also doesn’t (or so it seems) since he hasn’t seen the guy in forever and started avoiding him because of his stridency. YMMV.

[SkiDemon]

However, if someone were to know that their child were to only life for less than six hours, I could not judge them if they bailed early.

Some of those antis just have their heads up their asses. In cases where the baby has extreme profound birth defects, abortion is basicly turning off life support machines to a braindead paitent!!! I do wish that the medical community could provide better information to parents of babies with extreme profound issues…and even, parents of babies with other medical issues. I just think that with prenatal dx, doctors are extremely negative. I think that people have the right to a very informed choice. Like I heard about a case where some prolifers had an abortion b/c the doctors told them that babies with a particualr condition were ALWAYS born dead. They said that they would have chosen to continue the pregnancy.
I mean SHEESH! Some extreme profound medical conditions cause inutero death…Gotta get the baby out of there somehow! Actually…I thought that virtually ALL late term abortions were done on babies who’d died in utero.

[TokyoBayer]

@WhyNot

He was trying to find safe common ground for a not-personal discussion, and thought (for some odd reason) that that was a safe topic. It’s the kind of mistake I might make, and feel horribly dreadful about later.

Unfortunately, where he the type of person that would feel horribly dreadful about it later, there could still be hope for the friendship, but the guy is just an ass. He’s got black and white views of the world, and doesn’t let facts stand in the way. There’s no reasoning with him. I’ve tolerated him before by changing the subject and talking about mutual interests but he crossed the line this time. I had in absolutely no interest in discussing or hearing about the mechanics of late term abortions.

Please note in the title of the OP, there’s no plural. I know many right-to-lifers who have the decency to know when not to bring up views. It’s those radicals who preach without compassion for their audience that go beyond the pale.

Only **TokyoPlayer **has to decide whether or not to hang out with the guy again.

I think people will know the answer to this.

@GrizzRich

My friend, I feel your pain.
I, too, held my newly born child in My arms as she drew her final breath.

It’s hard enough dealing with the knuckleheads who seem to say the wrong things withouit having to deal with the total bufoons who go out of their way to tread upon your (already broken) heart with their tirades.

Of course, we let it slide and vent later… because it’s the civil thing to do.
And, Sir, I’m most sorry that we have this in common.

oh, and as for your ‘friend’…

/ricky vaughan/
“You want me to drag him outside? Beat the shit outta him?”
/ricky vaughan/

Yes, please. I was tempted to, but then I found something inside which said it wasn’t worth it.

Agreed, there are many who say awkward things, but words meant in condolence, I let slide, thinking that they have the right intentions, but are clumsy.

@Loopydude

Now may not be the time for resignaton, so I just say as someone who has maybe had more time to become resigned, these people just not worth the long-term anger.

I’m getting there.

[Eureka]

TokyoPlayer,

I had an opportunity over the weekend to chat with a pair of old friends who will soon be in more or less the position you find yourself. They are staunchly opposed to abortion, and have found themselves expecting a baby who will only survive for a few hours–if baby makes it to full term, which is not guarenteed. They did find out in time to terminate the pregnancy, except that that was not an option that they could live with.

I learned some interesting things listening to her talk about the trials and tribulations of being pregnant and knowing that baby won’t make it (for example, names were chosen from those discussed before 20 weeks, the point at which the ultrasound which diagnosed the problem took place, bec ause after that time she couldn’t stand to look at a baby book)–if he had anything profound to say, I didn’t hear it. But it gave me some new appreciation for the struggles that you have gone through/ will go through, though their details are different. In particular, they already have two healthy children, only one of whom understands that the baby in mommy’s tummy will not come home to live with them. (Unfortunatly, said child is now obsessing about where EXACTLY God’s house is.)

On the other hand, I was amused by my friend when she expressed surprise that there are husbands who are less than supportive of a wife who chooses to carry a child to term who is unlikely to be a healthy baby. Perhaps I read too many threads on this message board where couples are splitting up for a variety of reasons, not neccessarily limited to failure to be supportive (in general).

I hope you can appreciate what I say when I write that I’m not happy that you have had this experience, but I am happy that you shared it with us on the message board, because it helps me to better understand what my friend is going through–even though, as I say, all her details are different.