Our OP hasn’t been back, but the question I would liked answered (I don’t think I saw it in the OP or the follow ups) is: what happened once you dropped on the floor?
How did people react? “OMG he is having a heart attack”? “Someone call this dude a taxi”? “Sniper! everybody run!”?
Did the taser guy react to your dropping to the floor? Did he aim at you on the floor? Run to you to apologize?
How did you eventually determine you were not in deathly danger but the victim of a stupid prank? Could you see the taser from the floor? Could you see anything from the floor? (how busy was this place?)
Was the taser guy like “Dude, WTF, get up” or more like “Shit, man, I am sorry, I was just kidding, didn’t mean to scare you”
Seriously? Why would you think that matters? It’s a question about how one in an off-duty capacity would behave when carrying a concealed weapon. It’s an example of the sort of question one would see on a Police Officer exam so I said, “Imagine the following is a question on a Police Officer exam.” This is somehow a problem for you?
So if I am attacked by someone using non-lethal but dangerous force, I am required to take my butt whipping like a man? What about if an elderly person, or a physically weak person is attacked the same way? They really don’t get to use their guns? Really?
Isn’t it possible for a bad guy to beat me to death after I have been tased? Isn’t it reasonable to assume that if a bad guy with bad intentions attempts to tase me, that something much worse could be on the menu? Am I supposed to wait until after I am tased to find out?
Aren’t you just evading the issue? If I am attacked and wound someone with a gun, they aren’t dead, are they? You said I can’t kill someone in response to non-deadly force. Can I wound that person? Forget gun training. It’s a side issue, unless the law you are referencing addresses it.
Yes, really. You’re not supposed to fire unless you believe the life of another or yourself is in imminent danger. You don’t do it over a butt-whipping.
Wow, a pity that this will get lost in the shuffle but you are in a class of your own. Pants-wetters? Carrying as a favor to people who don’t?
Why are you so afraid of slide rules? I carry one as a public service to undie-stainers like you that are not man enough to carry a slide rule.
Oh wait, maybe you don’t carry one because you don’t need one. You know, just like I don’t carry a gun because I don’t need one. I have held many, fired a couple, found it cute but irrelevant to my life style (that bitch Queen already knows not to mess with me).
Don’t do me any more favors. You can carry your “I can’t believe it’s not penis” wherever you want for whatever reasons you want. Keep me out of it. I don’t need you to carry one for me.
It’s for sure that it’s not going to kill you? I think what you mean to say is “It probably won’t kill you”
It’s killed others. There have been deaths. One could argue that those who died after being tasered (290 since 2001, according to Amnesty Intl) had medical conditions that contributed to the deaths. And you may be right. But I would argue that a lot of people have medical conditions that they aren’t aware of and this idiot cop who thought the taser was a toy didn’t give AD a physical.
Bottom line, the taser is a little more dangerous than you have suggested.
How many more stupid questions are you going to ask me? Because if a cop off duty isn’t supposed to act like Rambo, it’s easily extrapolated that an Air Force vet shouldn’t either.
Bottom line is AD didn’t know it was a taser until after he pulled his PTSD Rambo stunt. All he was reacting to was a laser pointer in a bar, not in Baghdad but in a bar in Pennsylvania.
Calling it a stupid question isn’t really answering it.
Again, what does being a cop have to do with anything? There are literally thousands of situations where my response and a police officer’s response by rights should be totally different. Just cherry-picking one situation and declaring it relevant by *fiat *is what’s stupid. And pointless.
I didn’t say it, he did. He said he didn’t find out what it was untill after he “hit the deck” and reached for his weapon. The fact that it turned out to be a taser has nothing to do with this discussion.
What’s this about shrieking like a girl? Girls aren’t so giddy and foolish that they shriek like Air National Guard personnel at the slightest provocation.
Surely the bottom line is that his reaction was to duck out of the (genuine) line of fire, and then assess the situation while preparing to defend himself. He didn’t even draw his weapon. So what, exactly, is the problem? He was right about having a weapon pointed at him. It’s just dumb to say that he might have been wrong, so he should’ve happily sat still. Get shot first, ask questions later? Doesn’t sound like a great policy to me. No-one was hurt by his ducking, and no-one was hurt by his not-even-drawing-his-gun. Whereas had he blithely sat and waited for the laser owner to become either a gunman or a powerpoint user, he could well have been tased (or for all he knew, shot). He might even have had to listen to a sales talk, which would be enough to give anyone PTSD.
Of course, you lot all know this, or you wouldn’t be trying to embellish AD’s account with shrieking, flopping, PTSD, and all sorts of other things not in evidence. You wouldn’t be comparing tasers to salad forks, or insisting that they’re not weapons. You’d be able to just go on the facts, but for some reason you appear to be finding them terribly inconvenient.
Other than completely vindicating his reaction, of course. Other than that, irrelevant.
Does anyone know how many times military in Iraq have been targeted with laser lights? My understanding is that most have been killed by IEDs.
Also, if you feel you need a firearm when you go to a bar, well, that’s a bar I wouldn’t go to in the first place. However, if your job brings you into contact with places that might be dangerous, or you live in a neighborhood that has a high rate of violent crime, then I can understand it.
That said, I lived for a while in the area of the 18th Street Gang and the Harpies. I never once needed a firearm, though just about every weekend you could hear gunshots.
Oh, bite me. You notice that I’ve not bitched about what Doors. I happen to think that he did the right thing (BTW, I don’t own a gun, never fired one). I was simply putting DtC’s mindless fappings into phrasing which, were he not a total dipstick (Hey, what can I say? I’m an optimist.) he’d be able to realize what tard he was being.
The fuck it doesn’t. I don’t know the bar Doors was in, don’t know the neighborhood, don’t care. I do know that an awful lot of people have wound up dead by thinking that something was totally innocuous until they found out the hard way that it wasn’t. The one time when I was going home and some punk kid hit me in my car with a laser pointer, my first thought was not “Ah, its just some asshole with a laser pointer.”, but “How the fuck do I get out of here?” I had two worries: 1.) That it actually was some nutter with a gun. 2.) That I’d get hit in the eye with the thing and have trouble seeing and crash my car into something.