Yes I did actually, Monty, but you’ve got to admit that a statement like that’s a bit like waving a red rag in front of a bull.
Look I get it, okay, you want to sit there and wave your little flag around and proclaim your country to be the greatest country on the planet. And hey, there’s nothing wrong with patriotism. But again, men walking on the moon back in 1969. Seriously, I mean come on, let’s be realistic about this.
Where America went wrong is that it failed to foresee the amazing advancements in communication, namely the internet, which has allowed many of its claims to be exposed as fraudulent as well as its many false flag operations past and present.
I’ll tell you what, if you want to believe that those guys rode around on the moon in a little buggy 46 years ago, and if that makes you happy, then do so.
I’ll just keep on being amazed at how gullible the masses really are. it’s quite disturbing, really.
Those who disagree with you are the ones being realistic. You’ve developed some idea that you have no evidence for, and are expecting us to just take your word for it. I think not.
I always find it amusing that you and your ilk call others gullible.
Running coach (?) That’s a hell of a tag (from what are you running :eek:)
It was a hoax, clearly, indisputably. I’m curious, RC (running coach) Do you honestly believe that what your government tells you is the truth is the truth?
It’s not just the government telling us that, you odd person. It’s things like overwhelming physical evidence, unfakeable film footage, stuff like that.
I didn’t see any alleged events, you little liar. I saw reality.
No, you little liar. My admiration comes from my feelings from what I saw, not what someone told me.
Yeah, it seems that one would need a functioning brain to make a post on the Internet. You’re proving all by yourself that’s not always the case.
In your case, it’s like waving a giant flag in front of bullshit.
It has nothing to do with patriotism. It has to do with recognizing a scientific achievement. And in 1969, men walking on the Moon was not an unreasonable expectation. After all, both the US and USSR governments were funding their respective lunar programs quite heavily.
Ah, I see the problem now. You simply do not know what a reputable source is. Your lunatic CTers (what I’m fond of calling WONJCT) do not constitute a reputable source.
It has nothing to do with making me happy or not. It’s simply a recognition of an actual scientific accomplishment.
You and your ilk are the lunatics (nice pun, huh?) who glom onto pathetic denial sites on the Internet. That shows who, really, is gullible.
Prove it was a hoax. This time use competent and reputable sources. Your bald assertion does not count as either.
By the way, you really should learn how to multi-quote. Given your tenuous grasp of science, I’m not holding out much hope for you to demonstrate learning of any sort, but let’s hope a little.
You know, the problem with that is that he is assuming they have, or had, a brain to begin with.
What never ceases to amaze me is how this sort of… individual… is almost invariably hyper suspicious of any claim from authority (as in informed, in the know people), “sheeple” they’ll say, “gullible!” they’ll proclaim, “think for yourself!” they’ll exhort; yet they’ll gobble up and hold as gospel whatever bug-eyed, thoroughly unsupported steaming pile of nonsense dropped by anonymous numbskulls on the Internet.
Mr. Denning, I work virtually in sight of Marshall Space Flight Center and near an actual Saturn 5B Rocket used at that time. I think the folks there (in their thousands) might disagree with you.
It wasn’t smoke and mirrors; it was applied physics and engineering, done with a single goal in mind and well-funded. Getting to space (and the moon) has always been a case of physics, and the Saturn 5B demonstrates that it could be done, IMHO. Newton’s Law’s work just fine, thank you, in getting men to the moon.
I suggest, if you haven’t already, that you peruse the information at Moon Base Clavius (http://www.clavius.org/) and the associated message board (ApolloHoax.net - Index); if you can convince Jay Windley (known more on the web as JayUtah), then maybe you can convice me.
Yeah the real cool thing was how we managed to convince the Soviets to go along with our story even though they had all of the resources to show it was a fake. Who knew that Brezhnev was such a patriotic American?
Really, it’s just the gullible Americans who believe this? You don’t think the height of Communist Russia would have disputed it at the time? They never did. The country that hated us the most and had the most to gain couldn’t find one of the 400K people that worked on the space program to flip and give some evidence that it was a scam?
And since it was just the US scaming it’s own people do you care to give us a list of countries that insist it never happened?
John Denning, Thousands of people worked on the project. Many, many of them engineers or scientists. If you’re correct, all of them were either fooled, supportive of a hoax, or somehow coerced or intimidated into going along with it. This includes scientists and engineers in the USSR, which was certainly monitoring and spying on the program every step of the way, and had every reason to expose a hoax.
This is a problem with many popular but specious conspiracy theories. They require a conspiracy of large numbers of people, with no leaks.
Seriously, which is easier to believe? We went to the moon, something all of the engineers and scientists at the time, and now, believed was possible; or thousands of people all over the world have maintained silence for decades about a massive hoax? The Nixon administration (and I loathed Nixon, make no mistake about that) couldn’t even cover up Watergate, yet they successfully hid a massive hoax such as you’re proposing?
And it’s held up all of this time? Where are the deathbed confessions? Where are the tell all books? Where are the former KGB agents telling the truth and explaining why they covered it up at the time? Putin (who was a Lieutenant Colonel in the KGB) would love to be able to smear the name of the United States.
Why did you come here to prove that you are a fucking moron? There’s no point in going over the facts again, you’ll just ignore them. So instead let’s try to get to the bottom of you irrational nature. What happens when you hear or see a fact? What part of your brain immediately dismisses it and substitutes a vacuous claim and dismissal based on ‘everything the government says is a lie’? If the government says today is Monday, August 3rd 2015 do you think that’s some kind of conspiracy? Is it really Thursday? Is it actually April 1st? Is that about some secret knowledge you possess that can’t be backed up with any evidence but still must be true because ‘conspiracy’? Come on, tell us about it, what makes you so much smarter than every one else? What other great conspiracies are we ignorant of? Is there anything that would convince you that you are wrong? When someone returns to the moon someday and sees the remains of the Apollo Mission will that be another conspiracy? Maybe the moon doesn’t really exist or is made of green cheese? Yeah, that’s the ticket, it’s all a hoax, stupid us believing there was a moon to land on in the first place.
You are not even good at being a dipshit. You don’t have a good story to back up your bullshit. Couldn’t even come up with an original conspiracy. Go away. Come back when you have… nah, nevermind, don’t come back.
I not only saw the landing on TV, I was there for the Apollo XVII launch. That was not a fake - the ground shook miles away from the pad.
Now, please explain why the US would spend all that money to keep launching big rockets if they were all fakes. Wouldn’t they find some reason to stop long before this?
Now, I saw a moon rock at MIT in September 1969, at one of the first exhibits of the results of Apollo XI. Now, I can’t prove that they are moon rocks but NASA has distributed them far and wide. Are all the geologists who have studied them all over the world in on the conspiracy also?
Was Apollo VIII a fake also? Apollo X? None of the astronauts or anyone else ever confessed?
It is indeed stupid to believe everything the government says. It is even stupider to believe nothing the government says.
Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn they had at least one person on their payroll in the space program to keep tabs on 'em. Look what happened with the Manhattan Project!
(from what are you running :eek:)