Fucking Morons Still Trashing Buzz

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I wasn’t going to dignify this troll with a reply, but fuck it.

I was 12 years old in 1969. I watched Neil come down that ladder. I heard him say, “[del]Good luck, Mr. Gorsky.[/del] That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.” I don’t happen to believe in a magical sky fairy. I think you have no concept of the makeup of the membership of this board.

I believe it is more than likely that people who believe the moon landings were faked, weren’t born when they happened, rather than the other way around. I don’t see how anyone who lived through Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo, as well as the Soviet Union’s efforts to beat the U.S. to the moon, and watched all the news coverage can deny that we ever went to the moon.

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Apparently, your ability to draw conclusions is no more accurate when it comes to the demographics of internet message boards, than it is when it comes to space travel. This board skews towards older, college educated atheists. If you decide to pursue this subject, the people handing you your head over it will include several people with careers in the sciences, including physicists and astronomers, and at least one genuine rocket scientists.

By all means, please… tell us what you base your certainty on.

Actually, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but… there is no debate. None. The question of “Did man walk on the moon” was settled, decisively, in 1969, and in the nearly fifty years since then, there has never been a rational, fact-based challenge to the event, nor has it ever once been questioned by a person with either legitimate, subject-relevant experience, or first-hand knowledge of the Apollo program. What there has been, in the last couple of decades, is a bunch of deluded, poorly educated, usually mentally ill people who have fixated on an idea that’s not just patently bizarre, but requires an effort and collusion of disparate organizations that is exponentially more difficult and unlikely than the effort to put a man on the moon. Simply put, the Apollo moon hoax is not the product of a rational mind, and it can find no purchase in that environment. That’s why folks like yourself will always exist on the fringes of mainstream society, doomed to a life of watching people roll their eyes and subtly try to edge away from you at parties.

And that’s Point One in Why this Idea Makes No Sense.

Subsequent points are available upon request, but be careful! The number of them is substantial.

Why clues? Why not just come out and say it? That question applies as equally to you as it does to Mr. Kubrick.

Buddy, you’re a moon hoaxer. You’re pitied even by other conspiracy theorists. People who self-publish books about the JFK shooting look at you and think, “Man… that guy needs to get a life.” Guys poring over cheap photostats of Egyptian hieroglyphics, looking for space ships, think you have shaky logic. Right now, a man in Ohio is rushing to put on a gas mask because a 747 flew overhead, and he thinks your wasting your time with this nonsense.

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Cop out.

  1. That conclusion is based on just as much evidence as your assertion that the lunar landings are a hoax: zero. You simply are not aware of what evidence means.

  2. As another poster mentioned, plenty of us were walking around when the first landing happened. I wasn’t walking around because I was bedridden, but my mind, unlike yours, functioned.

  3. Your dismissive slur regarding religious beliefs shows, yet again, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Why do you believe the rockets were blasted into space?

On what basis do you assert “with absolute certainty” that those rockets were not manned? On what basis do you assert “with absolute certainty” that the landings were filmed on Earth.

And just for fun, how do explain away the time lag for the radio signals?

Nah. There is no debate. Intelligent people understand science and realize that the lunar landings occurred. Morons tout CTs.

You are not free to make up BS and expect people with experience, education, and functioning brains to believe that what you tout is actually evidence.

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That matches my personal experience. Oh, I’m sure that there is a handful of contemporary Moon hoaxer loons around, but the ones I’ve encountered are whippersnappers.

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Beautiful! I want you to write the eulogy for my funeral!

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Search my posting history, and you’ll quickly see I’m a devout atheist. So, wrongo.
The first moon landing happened right after I graduated from high school. Wrongo again.

You know there was live footage of the astronauts getting into the rocket. What happened to them when the rocket took off? And if you are really so certain, and not a troll, please explain why seven moon flights were needed when one would have done. Explain why the Russians didn’t blow the whistle. Explain why people in the Australian tracking station saw the spacecraft just where it was supposed to be. Explain why the pictures taken by the astronauts in lunar orbit match those taken by later unmanned probes.

We’ve seen better pictures than just arrows. You realize that lots of people bounced lasers off the reflectors left on the moon by the astronauts, right? How does that work.

Mostly, why do you think going to the moon is impossible? Is it scientific ignorance? Stupidity?

Hah, hah hah. I saw 2001 where it opened in New York in Cinerama, and even have the roadshow program. Mr. Kubrick, the director of Full Metal Jacked and Dr. Strangelove, would of course lie for the government. And Arthur C. Clarke would help. :rolleyes:

You’re a troll, your origin and purpose still a total mystery.

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That’s very interesting, Miller. If you want to believe that to be the case, then that’s your choice to do so.

Respectfully, no. This is clearly not a forum for holding intelligent, rational debates. It’s more of a sort of flag waving forum it seems. Look, if you guys want to believe that it was feasible to fly to the moon and drive a buggy around back in 1969 then who am I to say otherwise, right? I am curious, though, why would they take a buggy in the first place? It must have been one of those important pre-moon landing mission decisions.

“Astronauts all ready to go?” Check!
“Enough food and drink?” Check!
“Rocket ready to launch?” Check!
“Got the golf club?” Check!
“Anything we’ve forgotten?” Yeah, a buggy of some kind the guys can ride around in!

I’m sure that everything your government tells you is the truth, is. You are free to draw your own conclusions, Miller. As am I.

Be careful? Points? You’re making no sense, Miller, sorry.

Again, this is clearly not a forum for holding intelligent, rational debates.

You speak for others, now? Look, Miller, I can see you’re really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.

I’m not sure why no one is picking up on these subliminal clues? :cool:

JD

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Well, duh! They went down the secret staircase in the middle of the rocket – quite a long climb, but that’s why the count-down takes so long – and came out through the hidden tunnels below.

Then they were kept in a little lounge where they could watch operations on TV, just like all us suckers.

Imagine the poor guys watching the Apollo 13 drama. They couldn’t be sure that they were going to live! They must have been shitting bricks, wondering if they were going to “die in space,” and have to be – you know – eliminated. That was the point where they broke out and ran away. But two of them died in the desert, and only one…

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The twerp keeps saying “your government”, “your government”, “your government”. What a cruddy mantra! No doubt, he/she is one of those Article Four types.

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I don’t think it is necessarily an age issue, they strike me as the same flavour of CTs that believe the pyramids were built by space aliens, or Atlanteans or anything else but ancient Egyptians.

They can’t fathom the idea that people, specially “primitive” ones, could achieve something that is utterly beyond their own ability, they can’t figure out how it could be possible for dunces like them to do it, therefore it was a hoax or a superior intelligence did it, or any other number of alternative scenarios.
Basically it goes like “well I couldn’t do it, so surely they didn’t”

I think its a defense mechanism, a mental construct from people that can’t tolerate not understanding something (out of hubris or shame) so they resort to plugging the gaps in their understanding of the world and their own mind with self serving BS.

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Finally! :cool: I’m surprised nobody else picked it. Great movie, too, for the record.

JD

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Actually, Ale, it’s not that at all. It’s just that some of us grow tired of listening to all the lies that are thrown at us on a daily basis by our so-called leaders.

It’s called controlling the people, and in the case of the moon landings, what better way to unite the masses and make a select group of people rich in the process. What better way to promote a country to the world.

I am curious about something - if you (or anyone else reading this) were to travel to the moon and actually walk on it, wouldn’t you be absolutely buzzing with excitement (no pun intended) upon your safe return to your life here on Earth? Wouldn’t you want to tell the world of your adventure, and of the sheer brilliance of what you had had the absolute, unparalleled honor of experiencing? I sure as hell would. I’d be bursting at the seams. They’d have to give me some kind of calmative just to slow me down.

Now let’s be straight here. Let’s be honest. When you watch the post Apollo 11 press conference, all three of these guys look sad, embarrassed, and extremely uncomfortable. Like I said, man I would be over the moon (again, no pun intended), jubilant, grinning like a goddamn Cheshire cat and jumping out of my chair, welcoming questions and answering them with more passion than you can imagine, a passion that would have been justifiable given the momentous achievement involved.

But look at these guys. I feel sorry for them, not angry in any way. I feel genuinely sorry for them. if you’re interested, here’s the link, and don’t worry, it’s a bonefide link to the post I mentioned but if you’re wary for any reason just google Apollo 11 press conference if it’s something you haven’t already seen.

Someone, anyone, tell me why these three guys look as though they are under so much goddamn pressure to get through this thing and why smiles are so forced and so rare? Why do these three guys look as though they have just been to a funeral?

It makes no goddamn sense to me. And if conjecture is all that there is in this long running debate, then this is a good starting point.

JD

PS: I’m not a troll, or a nutcase. I’m just a person trying to get my head around this thing. I mean no harm to anyone. I just want answers. I want the truth.

(And please, no one say ‘you can’t handle the truth’) :slight_smile:

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It’s much, much easier to actually send people to the moon than to fake it and keep it a secret. Why would they bother with the latter when the former was very possible? How would they make sure the hundreds or even thousands of people involved kept it secret? What’s the point in such a massive risk, when it’s possible to send people to the moon for real?

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The fool’s already admitted to trolling.

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Let me i iterate, Monty, not a troll, just someone seeking the truth.

Is that clear enough?

JD

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You are a troll and a complete nutcase. You’ve offered not a single shred of evidence for your laughable assertions other than “Kubrick left clues!”

Go away, punk.

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It’s unreasonable to assume that, because you think you may act in a particular way, that other people would as well. I haven’t seen the video, but for the sake of argument, I’ll take you at face value. We need to consider other possible motivations for why people might behave a certain way besides just the motivation that fits that narrative.

So, why else might people be uncomfortable in a press conference. Maybe they’re physically, mentally, and emotionally exhausted afterward. Maybe they’re not particularly comfortable being in front of crowds and seen as massive celebrities; after all, they were scientists, not the type of career someone that thrives on attention seeks. Hell, they still would have been cautious about what information they shared with the media, considering significant portions of their experience, knowledge, and technology were highly classified.

You’re free to believe whatever you want, I don’t care, but if you are going to argue something that flies in the face of the accepted knowledge, it’s not enough to point out circumstantial evidence. If it can be reasonably explained by the accepted narrative, as this one and the overwhelming other things offered as evidence can be, then it doesn’t support an opposing claim at all.

Either way, if you’re actually interested in discussing the moon landing, I’d strongly suggest looking through the countless other threads about it, seeing what points you have that haven’t already been thoroughly discussed, and consider starting your own thread in Great Debates. You’ll still get your arguments torn to shreds, but at least they won’t insult you when they do it.

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Because they meet the aliens on the moon and the aliens told them their fleet would be arriving in 2020 something to enslave the human race.

I’d be pretty fucking depressed too.

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I think a lot of this nonsense comes from the fact that we stopped after Apollo 17, didn’t create a permanent manned base, and didn’t continue on to Mars. All of those seem like the logical next steps and they didn’t happen. I understand why we didn’t continue (though I don’t necessarily agree with the decisions) but I suppose it seems odd to someone coming along after the fact.

Those of us who lived through the cold war understand the motivations and urgency (justified or not) that led us to a huge dick waving contest with the USSR that pushed us into doing something that was physically possible but perhaps didn’t make a lot of economic or scientific sense at the time.

For those of us, like me, who were alive at the time, imagine being told that for a short period in the 1930s we had time travel, or could cure cancer, or had cold fusion, and then gave it up due to politics, expense, or whatever.

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I found Buzz’z agent contact information. Should we pitch a reality series “Welcome to the Punch”?

Giving he’s getting old, we should offer a couple of jackbooted thugs to protect him, and to hold the CT nuts still while Buzz belts them.