Full Frontal Nudity

Indeed - some of us were there :smiley:

To be honest I don’t really register with FFN when it’s done in a casual way (i.e. there’s a scene and the characters are naked because their alone in their apartment or in bed or whatever and the camera is just showing them naturally in that state), but what I don’t like particularly is the film rubbing someone’s genitals in your face and saying “look, FFN!!!”.

The most egregious example that I can think of for this is “Forgetting Sarah Marshall” where the lead guy is shown FFN a couple of times in a scene. It’s not that I have a problem with penis in general, or his specifically, but the point of his nudity was to show how humiliated he was in front of his now ex-girlfriend and the camera work had already established that he was nude. We didn’t then need to see two or three shots of his cock just to confirm it was there or to say to the audience “Look what we got past the censors!”.

Compare and contrast to something like “Shortbus” where the nudity is necessary to show people having sex or exploring their bodies in a way that is actually important to the story or the characters.

I think that’s what I don’t like. I also don’t like gratuitous blood, gratuitous guts, or gratuitous blood AND guts. I’ve been replaying Paradise Eve for the past couple of weeks (hey, my computers were broken, and I needed something to keep me busy), and while the game itself is pretty good, I could do without the overly gory special effects. If I think that a movie is going to feature gore or guts or vomit onscreen, then I probably won’t watch it.

Sometimes it’s awesome and necessary, like every scene ever filmed in a strip club. Then there’s that crap fest of dreck known as Watchman. Seriously, smurf dongs for a third of the movie is just distracting.

I am not in favour of full frontal nudity, either mine or somebody else’s, either public or in entertainment.

In private it’s okay, but even then I prefer some clothing involved as part of the ensemble.

See, I’d disagree with that. Dr Manhattan’s constant nudity was an insight into his character - he’d moved to a point where he really didn’t give a shit about things as trivial as clothing or whether he was nude or not.

I agree, and the point is made more clearly in the graphic novel. You can see how Dr. Manhattan gradually wears less and less through time. They start him off with a full costume and helmet (which he instantly rejects).At first he wears a full leotard, then he loses the arm and leg coverings. By the time he’s in Vietnam he’s only wearing abbreviated pants. Then he’s nude. Because

1.) He really doesn’t see the point of clothes. He certainly doesn’t need protection from the weather. Or assault.

2.) He’s the Most Powerful Being on Earth. Who’s gonna make him wear clothes?

Well I hated the movie so I thought it was just one more thing that was annoying about it. I was so bored halfway through it the only interesting character was radioactive wang.

Then there’s a movie like 300 which is full of superhuman beefcake, and not at all realistic to how real Spartans would dress for battle. However, the whole movie is larger than life so it works well.

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(Come’on ------- don’t even try to tell me I’m the only one who checked. Because I just am not going to buy it.)

You know if you want to see them all you have to do is ask. :wink:

Never been a fan of FULL frontal. I think it sexier if not everything is shown. The upper part is usually prettier, anyways.

And, despite getting over my homophobia, male nudity still makes me uncomfortable*, and I really don’t have any real reason to fix that.

*when people bring up the inequality of men going topless while women can’t, I usually say I’d be fine with men having to be covered up.

Back when my brother and I were in our early teens, we used to sit down on Sunday nights and watch Monty Python on the PBS station. One Sunday night my dad’s older sister and her husband were over to visit. We kids sat down to watch Monty Python and my parents were explaining to my aunt and uncle “the kids love this show. We don’t get it but they really seem to enjoy it.”

The episode they aired that night was the “Full Frontal Nudity” episode. My aunt and uncle were appalled, and my folks were pretty embarrassed. Naturally, we kids thought it was hilarious.

What?

Nobody’s said it yet?

Band Name!:smiley:

Frontal? Backal? What about Bothal?

Watch out. I’ve been called a Perv for less.

Monty Python is what came to mind when I read the OP. The best male FFN ever was in Life of Brian.

I love FFN in general, not nec. because it turns me on (though it CAN), but more because it is REAL and I think normalizing that aspect of ourselves is a positive thing. The shock value goes down/away and we can just see those body parts as BODY PARTS, like any other.

I’m not talking about porno (which is decidedly UNreal, in most cases) but in mainstream films/other media.

The most recent example I’ve seen was from a video for the song Bohemian Like You by the Dandy Warhols…about halfway through, there is a wonderful full frontal nude shot of the “waiter” (one moment he’s fully clothed, next cut, he’s standing there in all his flacid glory, a more well endowed version of David:D). My daughter (10) was watching it with me the first time and it was no big deal…just “yeah, that’s a naked man”. (hell, I think she has a right to know what to expect…not that she hasn’t seen it before, having had a father and having an older brother :p)

In mainstream film, some of my favorite uses have been:

28 Days Later, Cillian Murphy, wakes up on the hospital bed, nude. Really imparts his vulnerability and humanity.

Kinsey, Peter Sarsgaard’s scene as he changes into his pajamas. Was integral to the scene which involved a homosexual encounter between his character and Liam Neeson’s.

A History of Violence, Maria Bello’s entrance from the shower following a dramatic, “rapish” (meaning initially violent and resisted but evolving into consensual) sexual encounter with her estranged husband (Vigo Mortensen). The look she gives him and he her coupled with her nudity was more powerful than it would have been otherwise. imo.

About Schmidt, Kathy Bates’ FF shot…WOW! The impact here came from the fact that she is an older, heavier woman, presenting herself in a completely unashamed, fully confident manner to an older, heavier man (Jack Nicolson) who pursues younger women, and his reaction is shock and scrambling terror :stuck_out_tongue: Hey buddy, this is what a REAL, more mature woman is likely to look like…deal with it.

Thirst, a Park Chan-wook vampire film (I highly recomend it…funny, gory, complex), leading man Song Kang-ho exposes himself in a brief shot while fleeing a tent…the audience at the pre-release screening I attended audibly gasped at the glimse of his flacid male member…yeah, I think Americans are still pretty hung up about male FFN, overall (no gasps at the female FFN the film contains).

I think for a long time, and still to some degree, male FF nudity was hugely taboo in mainstream American film, and I often wondered why, since the female equivalent was much more common. I have a few theories.

One, as a rule, much more, er, DETAIL is evident in male frontal nudity…to get the equivalent view of a woman’s genitalia, you’d have to do a spread-eagle shot. Otherwise, not much more than breasts and a V.

Two, I think American society in general has serious issues with female sexuality, and considers allowing girls/women to see male FFN as somehow far more dangerous/damaging than allowing boys/men to see female FFN. This manifests as shock value for male FFN and can often translate into more restrictive ratings which can doom a film. (check out the excellent documentary This Film is Not Yet Rated…everything you never knew about how this process occurs)

Finally, I think many males actors are hesitant to expose themselves in this way. As mentioned in my first theory, they have a lot more to expose than female actors do and like not a few males, might have insecurities about size (irrational though they may be). For actors of either sex, FFN is a brave act, exposing you to the judgement of others. (Kathy Bates and her non-Barbie build sure got blasted by the juvenile, FM morning radio set, I tell you… That whooshing sound was the point going right over their heads :rolleyes:)

P.S. thought of this example of FFN, one which, at the time, had enormous shock value and was widely decried and censored…:eek: Not to mention the very hostile, personal remarks made about the bodies of the subjects. I own a copy of the original pressing with the original cover, but even then, it was sold with a brown paper cover over it (and no doubt still would be today).

As Lennon said at the time, what’s the big deal? It’s a man and woman naked. Grow up already, people. (something like that :p) Edit, oh yes, and the Biblical quote underneath the image refering to the man and his wife both being naked and not ashamed.

I’ve seen and heard people of both sexes declare their disgust at seeing male FFN. I don’t think that the human body, male OR female, is inherently ugly. But it’s common to hear people saying something like “more than I wanted to see of him” when confronted with male nudity, even partial nudity.

Yeah, could be for some that male FFN affords more of a view (as I postulated in theory 1)…and some apparently harbor an inherent revulsion for the male genitalia in general, considering it ugly or bizzare (this was a very common view of many women in generations past, as far as I can tell, and some still hold it…the whole EWWWW, get that THING away from me, don’t want to look at it or touch it school.) And some males might react with twinges of homophobia to such images. ??

At most, imo, it’s funny looking/acting, not repulsive or ugly. But you could be onto something there.

Sometimes I find myself genuinely curious what a male actor’s parts look like. This is totally dependent on male beauty. I am not particularly interested in seeing ugly actors’ parts; shallow yes, but we *are *talking about **physical **beauty here.

FFN on females? I like that, too. Why wouldn’t I? In general the female body is a beautiful thing, far more beautiful than a male’s body, everything full of curves and grace. But as other people have said, it’s common, whereas male nudity is much more rare and often put in for shock value.

**InterestedObserver **makes a good point…nudity is natural, and it might do us all some good to see more naked people. I’m not saying nudity should suddenly be acceptable all over the place - I’d be one of the first people to protest, but at the same time, normal nudity should *never *be accompanied by gasps of horror. Nothing brought this home to me more than Janet Jackson’s breast. A flash of brown skin, nipple 80% covered by a gold thingie, and a nation in crisis?! Are you kidding me?