Game of Thrones 4.02 "The Lion and the Rose" 4/13/14 [NO SPOILERS]

And when Sana says her mother must’ve given her an extremely thorough on the subject; Margaery promptly agreed (with a “sure let’s go with that” look on her face). IIRC when Ser Loras told Renly she was a virgin he qualified it with the word “officially”. I think it’s obvious Margaery has some sort of carnal experience with the opposite sex; thought she might be a virgin in the sense that she’s never had vaginal intercourse.

Maybe plan A was to wait until Margaery had born a male heir (or two) before killing Joffrey, but they realized waiting that long was just too risky and moved up the schedule.

If it’s the same site you posted in the other thread, I wouldn’t post it here. That’s the Wiki of Ice and Fire, which is the very detailed wiki based on the books. If you click on any link to a character, it will give you that character’s entire bio up to the end of the most recent book, which is far ahead of the TV show. Spoilers are abound on that site and I wouldn’t want a watcher-only to accidentally see something they don’t want to see.

Yeah that site is very dangerous for spoilers.

I, for one, agree with you on the lawful part, but with a twisted vision of what is right. I think of him as Lawful Evil (shout out to my D&D homies!).

It’s hard to disagree with the lady who does actual magic. Specially when you know you are the rightful king and some bad shit is about to go down. Stannis will do anything to become king, but not because he lusts for power, but because he feels he must.

Yes. I didn’t really understand before but I sent a PM to CarnalK who explained that to me. So I will not post it here.

I did understand the need to be very careful about spoiling info and so I took some time to try and figure it out before I posted anything in this thread.

Thanks to CarnalK.

From what has been shown or discussed in the show, how would you equate the regions of GoT with regions of earth?

I pose:

North of the Wall: Greenland, or whatever the furthest north is habitable by humans (but just barely) in Scandinavia
Riverfell: Northern England/Scotland
The Vale: Switzerland/Austria
Riverrun: Southern England
King’s Landing: Southern France
High Garden: Tuscany
Dorne: Spain

The latter have not been seen, but High Garden seems to be a near Paradise, while Dorne seems to be more arid, but with a joi de vive that rivals richer areas.

Daenarys is on a continent that is more north Africa/western Asia I would think.

Four? I’m not sure Arya would count the two hooligans she fingered that the assassin (who owed her a favor) took care of. As for the lout who was bragging about desecrating her brother’s corpse, she stuck him a few good ones, but the Hound finished the job, and lucky for her he did. (And she probably still didn’t forgive him doing in the butcher’s boy, even though that was so Season One.)

No, last week’s revenge killing is the real first for her, and she did relish it.

She killed a stable boy when fleeing from kingslanding. She definitely killed the guy that was talking about sewing Robbs head to his body. And she killed two during the fight at the inn right?

Maybe, maybe. Don’t remember any stable boy - did he have it coming? The Robb’s-head-sewing guy, I say no. Was there another one at the Inn? “It all happened so fast, Officer.”

Here she is killing the stable boy.
Arya kills a man after the Red Wedding.
Arya kills two men in a tavern. (It starts at around 8:40)

The hound doesnt touch that frey soldier. Arya killed the shit out of him.

Yup.

Do we know for sure Tyrion didn’t kill Joffrey?

People seem to be discussing all sorts of possible suspects but I don’t seem to recall seeing Tyrion being discussed. Lord knows he had the motive, and the means.

The man burned at the stake was Selyse’s brother. The purpose of the scene was to show how fanatical she is and how ruthless her husband is.

I think the Hound said his next plan is to sell Arya to Lysa so may see her soon.

I don’t disagree, but I think Tyrion would have been more subtle and less likely to implicate his own self so obviously. I think a Tyrion murder would have looked more like Joffrey’s dead body just washed up on shore, and no one knows who did it.

He actually told his sister that what he hated most about Joffrey trying to have him killed was the stupidity of the way he went about it… Instead of making it look like an accident, he did it in public with witnesses. Tyrion would have made it look like Joff died of a bee sting allergy or shaving accident.

Just after the wedding ceremony they cut to GoT and Tywin where she reminds him about the iron bank. Then the cut to Tyrion getting ignored by the dude from dawn? dorn? whatever, then another cut, back to GoT where shes talking to Sansa, stealing her gemstone, and talking about what kind of monster kills a man at a wedding…I think Emma Peel is up to something personally.

:dubious: I’ll just ignore I read this on a website about the TV show.

I don’t think Tyrion would ever assassinate his nephew, no matter how much he hated him.

But yes, if he did it he would go about it a lot smarter. Probably, have him drown while muff diving some whore :smiley:

After watching this episode I’m starting to wonder if the whole show is basically a scam Essoes or Bravose is pulling on Westeroes.

In this episode we are reminded of the Iron Bank who apparently has loaned the king a great deal of money to deal with the war, Tywin snidely says he won’t pay them because he isn’t afraid of them.

Varis reminds viewers he is a foreigner, I think from Essoes or Bravose. Remember his secret meeting with Illyrio in the first season? Where they discussed setting the war up and Dany?

TLDR, is the entire series basically a con game the other continent is playing against Westeroes?

(I hope speculation is allowed, I have included no book info!)