That’s not quite how it went.
Olenna: “Wars are rather expensive. The Iron Bank will have its due- how they love to remind everyone. Almost as much as you Lannisters and your debts.”
Tywin: “I’m not worried about the Iron Bank.”
Olenna: “We both know you’re smarter than that.”
Essos is the continent across the sea. Braavos is one of the Free Cities, along with Myr, the city Varys tells Tyrion he was visiting with his troupe when he was sold to a sorcerer and castrated.
Rewatching one of the replays like I’m with CSI, I think the individual cake Margaery serves him is the poison delivery system. Not the big cake, or the wine glass.
The dead birds in the cake were decidedly not from poision, but were clearly shown to have been killed by Joffrey’s sword. The one shot we see includes a severed bird head falling out of the cake. Unless the poison decapitates you, that was death by sword.
When watching like a murder detective, when Sansa picks the cup up for Tyrion, she kind of palms it in a way where she absolutely could have dropped something into the glass. But that doesn’t make sense given that we saw the Olenna take the gem from her necklace clear as day.
In the previews for next week:Margaery and Olenna are seemingly arguing, with Olenna saying Margaery’s situation is much improved while Margaery yells “I would have been queen!” Which points to Olenna with no help from Margaery as the prime suspect.
Based on the timing of ingestion and symptoms, I think it’s more plausible that the poison was in the (individual serving of the) cake and not the wine.
No way would Tyrion kill his own nephew so publically. I’m sceptical about him killing his own nephew at all, but if he did, he’d be much cleverer about it than doing it when he was the one handing a cup of poison to the king in front of a crowd of scpectators. It wouldn’t even work as a double-bluff.
Cersei, no. She loves her children. And she could have killed him any time. She’s probably the only one who really could have killed him any time, actually - she has the access and the contacts and she even has the poison handy from when she thought she’d have to give it to Tommen (and take it herself) in the siege. If she’d gone out of character and decided to murder her own son (giving Tommen the poison in the siege is not the same thing) she would have done it in a different way.
Olenna, well, she wasn’t the one who set up the marriage, was she? Margery and Loris seem to have set that in motion all on their own. Then she came to King’s Landing and saw what a monster Joffrey was; she might have been sceptical Margery would even survive the wedding night, or she might even have wondered if Margery would end up as bad as Joffrey.
Margery did take delight in shooting the bow, after all; she is power-hungry; she does try to feed the poor, but that could just be propoganda, or it could show that she does have principles of a sort, which actually makes her more dangerous.
Margery, no. She was really happy about the wedding. She wanted to be the Queen. I think she wanted to get pregnant first, at least.
Anyway… Other parts of the episode: poor little Junior Stannis. Her mother genuinely thinks it would better for her to die and “join the Lord of Light.” Her mother really is that religious. And all her other children have died, so why not this one too?
Stannis did show some humanity in straight-up saying no to his daughter being harmed. That could be his breaking point - Melisandre and his wife want to kill his daughter, and he tells them to fuck off. All hell breaks loose. Or possibly his wife tries to do it herself and is saved by Ser Davos and maybe even Melissandre.
We haven’t yet seen anyone in Westeros kill their own children, have we? Everything else, yes, but they protect their own children to the death.
Charlie, it’s understandable that you mixed up Stannis’s wife with Lyssa Tully. They look alike, and share the same expression of fevered mania. OTOH, if there’s one person Lyssa won’t kill, it’s her own son. Drive him insane, yes, but not kill.
The Bran bits were boring and he seems to have some sort of rapid aging disease. The actor’s always been good before, though, so there’s hope.
The problem with having the help do the poisoning is that you know every servant that had something even remotely to do with the catering is going to be tortured for information. The nobles of Westeros have very little regard for the peasants. You’d have to be pretty stupid to believe the tortured wouldn’t implicate you in the plot.
I chuckled a bit. My inner 12-year-old must be showing.
It was annoying. It didn’t even need one spoiler tag since it was something shown on screen, and it was just him going see your rules? I’m going to apply your rules really strictly to inconvenience people, so there! Like a twelve-year-old, exactly.
I also laughed. Not the first time my maturity level has been compared to that of a twelve year old boy. 
So, then, by your theory, you did exactly what he wanted you to do? Is it really a troll if the bait-eaters leap so eagerly to get hooked?
Eh, Tyrion doesn’t strike me as a poisoner. He’s never really been underhanded. Crafty yes, sneaky no.
Had he wanted to straight up kill a bitch he’d have had Bronn or Shagga (where has *he *gone ? I liked him) shank him while he’s on the crapper or something of the sort. Maybe a crossbow sniper. Maybe turned his own bodyguards against him, or even talked Jaime into it. But poisoned cake ? No class, no class at all. Couldn’t rub that in anyone’s face, either.
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I think that was acting on her part - just figuring how to push his throbbing buttons is all.
Craster. Though I suppose “North of the Wall” isn’t really Westeros any more. There’s also old Lord Mormont, who while he didn’t kill Jorah still seemed fine with him being exiled forever to murder-happy barbarian land.
Guys, please stop the hijack about the spoiler box. That sort of squabbling gets out of control and ruins the threads.
Agreed.
And I doubt Tyrion would be so clumsily obvious in killing his hated douchebag nephew, either.
@kobal: I forgot about Craster. I guess he’s an outlier, but it still counts.
FWIW, I never accused anyone of being a troll. I can see how you could interpret it that way, but I don’t think every occasion of taking the piss and acting like a pathetic child is trolling.
Let it all out. Imagine Robin Williams hugging you with those big hairy arms of his and telling you it’s not your fault.
I haven’t read the books, so from only the TV show, it’s not clear that Tyrion is as crafty and devious as a lot of you guys are claiming.
Can you remind me of cases when he was indeed crafty and devious in the TV show?
The only thing I can remember was how he got himself freed when he was imprisoned by the Catelyn Stark. Other than that, he seems to be at the mercy of whoever is in power at King’s Landing, and seems scared all the time (see, for example how scared he was in the way he treated Shae. If he was a master of diplomacy and craftiness, he would have found a way to keep her as his mistress)
He’s only legitimately terrified of his dad. He doesn’t give much of a shit about anyone else.
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He was pretty crafty when he told Pycelle, Littlefinger, and Varys each conflicting stories as to whom he intended to marry Cersei’s daughter to so as to know which of them was informing on him. He wound up tossing Pycelle in the dungeons after having Bronn cut off his beard.
He also blackmailed Lancel into informing on Cersei.
He’s the one who sent Littlefinger to Cat and got her to help Jaime escape in exchange for the promised release of her daughters.
He came up with the wildfire-in-the-bay scheme (I think Cersei’s plan was just to lob it at the approaching fleet in catapults).
He got the captain of the guard to admit to killing Robert’s bastards and shipped him off to the wall.
He got the mountain band to fight for him rather than kill him and Bronn after he escaped his imprisonment in the first season.
Not everything on this list is super impressive but it’s all I could think of.
Tyrion is very clever but he’s powerless. That’s why he’s fun: he drinks and whores and tells people off because he understands the situation he’s in and he knows nobody takes him seriously. That was how things were when the series started and he’s back in that situation now that he’s no longer the Hand. Things have changed a little bit because he tried to be good to Shae and is now trying to do the right thing for Sansa, but his father still calls the shots and Cersei and Jamie at least have someone supporting them. He has no clout and the public hates him. He had the motive to kill Joffrey, but I don’t see the opportunity and he doesn’t seem the type. But I’m sure he wouldn’t have done it in such a horrendously obvious way.
Having read the books I can tell you that…oh just a second there is someone at the door…
(several minutes pass filled with scuffling noises and a gun shot)
Umm, I was mistaken…I, umm, (whimpering) I have not read the books…so sorry…
He designed a saddle Bran could use after he was crippled. The test he did to find out who was giving info to Cersei by lying to Pycelle Varys and Littlefinger about where Myrcella was being shipped off. The trick with the wildfire boat during the battle that wiped out a large part of Stannis fleet.