First off, the issue of whether or not she enjoyed it at all is irrelevant to the issue of whether or not she wanted it in the first place.
Second, Jaime is obviously stronger and more powerful than her, and could seriously mess her up if he wanted to. At the point when the rape seemed inevitable, acting like she was enjoying it would be a very good strategy for avoiding more bodily harm.
In your opinion, do some people deserve to be tortured, or do some people deserve to be killed?
@kobal2:
Well their life wasn’t going to be “ruined”. I am sure they could have been perfectly safe and comfortable back at Castley Rock surrounded by Lancaster soldiers.
But regardless I’m hoping you see my point. She’s a murderous amoral queen regent living in an unjust world. Hoping very bad shit happens to her doesn’t mean I think rape is sometimes called for in real frigging life.
On the contrary, we’ve seen a LOT to indicate that Jaime would do that. He threw an innocent kid out of a window in the very first episode! He is in many ways a violent and selfish man. He ALSO has some honor, and IS CHANGING, but he didn’t at some point last season while wandering around with Brienne suddenly switch from being Bad Guy to Good Guy. He also lives in a society which places different values on different things than we do.
Furthermore, as others have pointed out, he’s gone through a fairly ludicrously horrific set of experiences, and has what has to be a fairly epic set of blue balls, AND the person he is with is someone who has been having regular vigorous consensual sex with him since forever… a relationship which is already INCREDIBLY taboo.
You don’t think it’s plausible that someone in that situation would do what Jaime did?
If he did that we would have gotten much fewer “OMG, the horror, the horror!” comments than we are getting now.
It’s strange, this show shows so much torture and murder of innocents, and people don’t bat an eye, and they show a rape and it’s the end of the world. Do you guys think rape is the worst possible thing one can do to another human being, including torture, cutting off body parts while you are still alive, and murder?
That one’s up in the air, wasn’t it ? Robert was a drunk pisspot, and boar hunts are dangerous as hell at the best of times. Maybe she helped him kill himself a little, but season 1 was long ago, and I’m not sure that was made unambiguous ?
She was the one who initiated the kissing in the first place. She initiated the kissing, she kept kissing him on and off during it - and yet what we’re supposed to take away from this is that she was in fear for her life, being violently, forcefully raped?
Whatever this was - and it can be reasonably defined as rape - can we stop pretending this is equal to the sadistic, violent gangrape that Brienne would’ve suffered at the hands of her captors?
Well, she was fucking her cousin the dim-witted squire to make sure Robert got topped off very frequently. She made it clear to him that she didn’t mind if his fat, drunk ass didn’t come back.
It was. She bribed/coerced/possibly fucked a squire to give him drugged wine (or maybe just really strong wine) on the boar hunt. Kept him plastered and off his game when he fought the boar that killed him.
I don’t know how well it was spelled out but I remember that there was speculation in show as to how/who kept the wine flowing so hard during the hunt.
Eta: seeing above, oh yeah she was screwing her cousin the king’s wine steward.
Varys insinuates that at some point.
But Robert didn’t die of alcohol poisoning, she could’ve given him all the wine in the world but what killed him was still his own stupidity.
I don’t. As far as violence or squick goes, that’s far from the worst we’ve seen on the show. The problem isn’t “blush rape ! OMG, so terrible, my precious flower soul can not but object !”, as much as **SenorBeef **seems to suggest. Hell, there’s been rapes on the show before. I do take separate issue with some rather skeevy statements made in this thread and elsewhere on the interwebs, but whatever.
My main issue is that it’s simply out of character for the Jaime we’ve seen so far to rape Cersei. About as much as throwing her out of a window would have been, really.
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Well their life wasn’t going to be “ruined”. I am sure they could have been perfectly safe and comfortable back at Castley Rock surrounded by Lancaster soldiers.
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I strongly doubt it. Robert would have gone “bring me the bitch, I want to strangle her myself !” and every House of Westeros would have followed him no questions asked because the royal lineage (or any lineage, really) is kind of a big deal, and if there’s doubt about Cersei’s incest there none that Robert’s the King.
The Lannisters might be a wealthy and powerful House, but even they couldn’t have taken a 6-on-1 dogpile.
Nevermind
I made a big deal about this in the Walking Dead threads when
Maggie wasn’t even raped by the governor, just made to take off her shirt in a really skeevy/uncomfortable way. And Glenn was brutally beaten to a pulp, tortured, and put in a room with a zombie tied to a chair and was planned to beat eaten alive. After the episode, the thread was nothing but OMG POOR MAGGIE!!! with no concern for Glenn at all. Torture, maiming, and murder is apparently no big deal. Forced nudity? Unforgivable.
Well, since you managed to quote me before the edit, my “nevermind” looks really silly now 
At any rate, I agree in regards to both shows.
No it isn’t. And I don’t really bad an eye at Jamie raping her. It’s a disappointing turn for his character, but if that’s where they want to go with him, then fine.
What I bat an eye at, however, is that apparently the maker of the show does not think that was rape. Therefore it is completely irrelevant as to whether the rape was “in character” for Jamie since the people making the show didn’t think it was rape and therefore didn’t write the show as if it were rape.
So again, my eye batting is a) that there exists real people in our real world who can have intentionally showed us what was shown last night and not think it was a rape and b) we can expect that the writing from this point on will be somewhat disjointed from our experience of the show because of a. If they, in not thinking it was rape, continue on down the path of Jamie’s rehabilitation without any acknowledgment of what he’s just done, then that could be a problem.
But no, while horrible, rape is not necessarily the worst thing that could happen. And no, not all rapes are equal in their violence or horribleness (though I think it dangerous territory for a third party to try and define for the person raped just how horrible it was and where they should be placing it on that spectrum).
Rape apologist busted!! Just kidding. 
No, she and Jamie would have been executed for treason almost immediately (think Anne Boleyn or Katharine Howard). It’s also quite likely that the children would have been killed. Ned said as much and it’s why he have her the chance to glee before he told Robert.
Kobal2, I forgot the king wasn’t dead yet but remember that the Lannisters and the iron bank were basically financing the kingdom. If they had fled it’s not assured that the king could have had his justice.