Bronn started off as loyal to Tyrion just based on payment but somewhere along the way, they developed a real friendship. And I think now he and Jaime are establishing one.
Bronn is no longer a sellsword, he got promoted to knight after the blackwater and i believe he told Oberyn he was now a lord during the first episode, because he “killed the right people”.
How would Theon help with that?
We don’t know if that all actually happened, but Bronn did tell Tyrion that Shae had left - didn’t he? I could have sworn he did. True, something might have happened afterwards that didn’t involve Bronn. I’m probably off base, but something feels sketchy about Bronn.
To my mind, cruelty implies intentionally causing suffering simply for its own sake. On that conception, I wouldn’t have said Tywin is ever cruel. But do you have a different idea about what “cruelty” is?
I actually think Tywin is one of the most morally sound people on the show.
He told him but it was obvious he wasn’t telling him everything.
Tyrion and the Mountain would make an interesting pair - the biggest and smallest in the kingdom. So far they have made the mountain a boring personality. Not really a good foil for Tyrion. Maybe that is why he has been recast.
Moat Cailin is held by Ironborn sent by Balon Greyjoy.
Bronn told Tyrion only that she got on the boat.
If you’ll pardon a nitpick – “whoever has the power” (it’s the subject of the clause, not the object)
It looks like a version of the Colossus of Rhodes – Colossus of Rhodes - Wikipedia
I don’t think they were orphans, not until the search party showed up anyway.
I’d take out the “for it’s own sake” part of your definition. But maybe cruel isn’t the right word after all. In retrospect, I think I like the term “ruthless” better to describe Tywin.
I don’t think Tywin would be in charge of the prosecution, that would be Cersei.
I was under the impression they were the two orphans Bronn had sent to help the farmer.
Bronn told Jaimie that he (Bronn) wasn’t allowed to visit Tyrion in jail.
He’s never hesitated to say brutal things to his children.
I think Tyrion will choose Jaime - it’s Jaime or Bron; who else would stand for him? I was wondering if it’s possible Jaime will be chosen to fight for the crown and choose to sacrifice himself, but it’s unlikely Tywin would pick him. Jaime had a moment of real nobility in this episode and I wonder how they will take it further in the next few.
He deserves a pile of them. I saw it as Tyrion’s ‘hath not a Jew eyes’ moment: his heart was broken, so he let out some of his deepest feelings in a torrent of bitterness. And it’s probably just going to make things worse for him. I’m assuming I can’t spoil a 400-year-old play, so I’ll add that Shylock in Merchant of Venice also rejects a deal in open court and winds up paying a greater price. I don’t think this is the end of Tyrion, but in the general trend of things getting worse for everybody the audience likes…
That’s hardly surprising. Today nobody thinks medieval courts and star chambers were just.
Ramsay, yes. And I understand why the whole sequence ended the way it did: Yara arrived with only a small raiding party and I assume Ramsay had a lot more soldiers in the castle who could have showed up in a few minutes. And Theon was not going to go willingly, which didn’t surprise me. But after that much buildup and badass speechmaking from Yara, it was kind of a letdown. ‘He is a price of the Iron Islands! These men killed your brothers and mutilated your prince! What they do to him, they do to all of us! … You know what, nevermind. I’m out.’
Right. That was a great moment from Davos, who’s another one of those characters who I find easy to like: he is 100% devoted to Stannis’ cause (despite his doubts about Melisandre) and isn’t trying to betray anyone or screw anyone over, and he’s serious but I’d say he’s not pompous. And of course the scenes where he learned to read were kind of adorable. And a lot of what Davos said is unquestionably true: the Lannisters really are a mess without Tywin. Tywin has conceded that if they don’t consolidate and maximize their power right now, they’re going to be obliterated. He doesn’t trust anyone else to help him with that task and he doesn’t seem to realize what his drive for power, supposedly in the interest of protecting his family, has really done to his family.
That was my impression. I believe Tyrion said a couple of episodes ago that he was having trouble finding anyone to speak on his behalf. Then he sent Pod away, realizing that the fix was in and whatever was going to happen was going to happen and that he didn’t want to be the ruin of anybody else.
Yes. There were some good moments here and there but the momentum was lacking in the last few episodes. It feels like we’re getting somewhere now.
That could be, but I feel like they’re setting up a confrontation between The Mountain and Arya & The Hound.
I kind of assumed Oberyn is ineligible because he’s a judge, but we don’t know the rules of the court. So maybe.
Everything involving Theon since Ramsay got his hands on him has been 100% horrifying, and his last couple of scenes have been just about as bad as the endless torture sequences from the last season and the murder-hunt thing at the beginning of this one. But at least now he’s involved in some kind of story, and that makes it a tiny bit more bearable.
I try to avoid the question of what characters deserve, but I’ll point out there’s a definite arc to Theon here. He wanted the Starks’ approval and they seem to have welcomed him, but he never felt at home there. When he was sent to the Iron Islands at the beginning of the war, he tried even harder to please the father who rejected everything about him. So he betrayed the Starks and acted like a shit heel, but he didn’t persuade anyone, none of it worked, and he got captured by Ramsay. Now, as a tortured, mutilated slave, he finally feels like he belongs somewhere. Looked at in that light, the whole thing makes me even queasier.
Yes. At the risk of putting a slight damper on a great moment, it’s the second time Tyrion has pulled this exact move.
It was a little weird. I think it’s plausible that Jaime just doesn’t know what to believe about Joffrey’s murder. There’s been a lot of fairly powerful testimony against Tyrion, but Jaime knows his father and Cersei can’t be trusted. The only part he’s sure of is that Tyrion shouldn’t die.
He was sent to the Riverlands to find and kill The Brotherhood Without Banners. So he’s doing the Number 6 Dance all over the countryside.
He’s sending him undercover somewhere- probably Moat Cailin because that’s where the Iron Island forces are staying in the North. Ramsay and his father want to get rid of those soldiers so they can take more territory in the North.
Of course by Bronn I meant Bran
So I rewatched the part when Tyrion start digging his grave deeper and demands trial by combat. Tywin looks positively exasperated as his bluff has been called. Jaime is crestfallen, everyone else is either irate or in pure disbelief… and then they show Shae briefly and she seems… confused and concerned. Could she somehow have known that he wasn’t going to be executed? Maybe she was led to believe that we would be spared in exchange for her testimony?
Yes, she might have been pissed off enough to damn him at the trial, but I could also see her character simply saying, kill me, I won’t testify, and Tywin saying: “He’s my son, he’ll punished and sent to the wall but not killed, IF you testify”.
I don’t know, seems unlikely but I don’t want to believe Shae could turn on him like that.
We got a handful of significant reaction shots of Margaery during the trial. Whatever happens, she’ll have something to do with it. Maybe she’ll try to persuade Tommen to intervene and grant mercy to Tyrion after the trial because she already knows he didn’t do it and that the Lannisters are even more rotten than she’d realized? Or maybe Ser Loras will be persuaded to fight?
At the very least, she’s getting a good indication of how duplicitous the Lannisters are. I’m sure the general consensus on them is that they have deep pockets and just pay off their debts - now she’s learning how they earn their money, and the extent to which they fight for their interests.
A couple of the posts here suggested that The Hound might fight for Tyrion. But right now, he’s a wanted man for killing those soldiers in that tavern. So could he just show up in King’s Landing?
Excellent episode. A few comments on the topics in the thread:
I wouldn’t call Tywin cruel. He is, however, cold and calculating. More amoral than immoral.
Theon has done some horrible things but he is definitely a tragic character. The things he did he never really believed in. It was all to win the respect of his Shit heel of a father.
I think Shae believed the false awful things that Tyrion had to say to force her to leave. That’s what made her angry enough to come back and testify.
Varys’ loyalty is to the Realm. He wants to 7 Kingdoms to continue to exist. he doesn’t care who is king as long as the Realm endures.
Littlefinger, on the other hand, is after power at whatever the cost. He could care less what happens to the realm as long as he is on top of whatever is left.