I don’t see any suggestions like that. I postulated that he’d be a good matchup against the Mountain in the trial, but he’s currently too far away to show up in King’s Landing at the moment. But other than my post, I don’t see any others.
You might be right. I don’t have a clear memory of that episode.
Dude. Dude. He ordered and paid for an entire family butchered, on a wedding day, while they were peaceful guests, in contravention to some very important laws & customs of the land.
He had his son’s wife gang-raped in front of him, then forced him to give her sloppy thirty-seconds at sword point. Or possibly paid a woman to pretend to be a whore and pretend-marry him, have Tyrion fall in love with her, all so she could be gang-banged to teach him a lesson.
Either way, Tywin’s a right cunt. He’s a clever, magnificent bastard of a cunt. A cunt oozing with charisma. But still a cunt.
I bet he named a sword or two in his day :p.
Yeah, pretty much. It’s already hard to overcome daddy issues, but Theon had those double.
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But after that much buildup and badass speechmaking from Yara, it was kind of a letdown. ‘He is a price of the Iron Islands! These men killed your brothers and mutilated your prince! What they do to him, they do to all of us! … You know what, nevermind. I’m out.’
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She was down to a handful of guys and holy shit have you seen the *size *of these dogs ? They’d be a hard fight in and of themselves. Add just three dudes with swords to poke 'em in the back while they’re fending off the mastiffs, and it was a hopeless fight at that point.
Besides, as you say there was still a whole castle full of dudes out there (one assumes Yara’s raid relied on shock and awe to get in and out quick) and they’d have to struggle with Theon/Reek the whole way. I don’t blame them for booking it.
And don’t forget that “The Rains of Castamere” is a song about Tywin Lannister committing germicide.
I find it interesting that people seem so devoted to the idea that Shae really loved Tyrion. Did she? Well, maybe. She certainly ACTED like it. But she was (as she said) always a whore, so it’s at least possible that it was an act all along. It’s possible, in fact, that she was in Tywin’s pay all along. He’s certainly devious enough to come up with a plan like that in order to monitor and keep control of his son who he doesn’t trust. It’s in fact possible that Bronn was also in Tywin’s pay all along (well, at least starting when the hill tribes arrived at the Lannister army) (and note that it was Bronn who found Shae for Tyrion in the first place).
It’s also possible that none of the above is true, but I don’t think we can believe at face value anything that Shae ever said to Tyrion, or any feeling she professed to have for him.
The dragons are certainly growing fast… I think they’ve gotten past the stage where they’re vulnerable to a single crossbow bolt, barring a really miraculous shot right in the eye or something.
Right, he’s certainly EVIL. But we haven’t really seen evidence that he’s SADISTIC, which differentiates him from Joffrey and Ramsey. He would have been just as happy to win the war and neutralize Robb Stark with some happy puppy rainbow plan, if that was safer and cheaper and better in the long run than the Red Wedding, whereas Joffrey probably jacked off to the idea of stabbing a pregnant lady in the belly.
Great episode. Really flew by. Loved the scene with Tywin and Jaime during the break in the trial; Jaime’s expression when his dad instantly accepts his offer to leave the Kingsguard was priceless. I guess King Tommen will have to release Jaime from his oath/pardon him.
Tywin is ruthless and pragmatic but not needlessly cruel, I would say.
Right. Cross examination and the right to counsel are very recent innovations, historically speaking. Also, having your own dad as a judge is a definite no-no these days. But why let someone choose trial by combat once you’ve already spent so much time and effort on a courtroom proceeding?
Yes. Even Stannis seemed to be a little stunned at how persuasive he was (and anyone else recognize the lead banker as Mycroft Holmes from Sherlock?). In a show filled with characters of varying degrees of evil, Davos and Brienne are two of the most virtuous.
Nice CGI of the Braavos harbor and its giant statue. Nice touch to have the Iron Bank coin zipping around the top of the wall in the opening credits. A nitpick, though: The statue in the opening credits held its broken sword at a different angle than the one we saw Stannis and Davos sail under.
If I were Danerys, I would definitely appoint some trustworthy judges to help me with the many petitions of my subjects. Two hundred-plus petititions - whew!
I noticed that, too. Wonder where they’re going with that?
They were. We never get to see the orphans but that was definitely the same farmer who Bran sent orphans to foster with.
Amoral and cruel go together very well. Tywin openly despises Tyrion and never has a single kind word for his other children. He is very devoted to the abstract concept of preserving the Lannister name and protecting the family, and
in the world he lives in, some level of hardness and even ruthlessness is called for at times. He’d tell you that his ruthlessness might keep his family alive and kindness won’t. But he’s a heartless man who uses his children as pawns with no regard for how anybody feels.
I completely understand why they retreated, but it was sort of a letdown after Yara’s somewhat inspiring “I’m going to find my brother [and F.U., dad, for saying I shouldn’t]” at the end of last season and the speech she gave when they were on their way to Dreadfort.
The only rule that I have when watching GoT is to take everything at face value and not try to anticipate anything. Whatever conjecture I have always ends up being wrong. That said, for the upcoming week I will be under the impression that Tyrion is going to face Cersei in single combat.
Right, but **Quimby **was saying he wasn’t immoral. Of course he’s immoral. He’s an evil bastard, plain and simple. He’s the guy Palpatine only wishes he could be. When you plot terminally evil shit because that happens to be convenient, you’re immoral aren’t you ? You don’t have to *enjoy *it to be immoral.
Again, because it serves a purpose. That purpose being, keeping the little people down and the guys who’ve spent their lives doing sword drills up.
A quick definition comparison: immoral is “not conforming to accepted standards of morality.” Amoral is “lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something.” Tyrion’s flagrant whoring and Jaime and Cersei’s incest are seen by the public as immoral. Tywin is amoral because he cares about the survival of the Lannister family and absolutely nothing else. It’s not because the Lannisters are good people or good leaders, it’s because they’re his family and he sees that as his job. He will do anything to make it happen and is untroubled by the question of whether it’s right or wrong. The end justifies the means and that’s all there is to it.
I understand that but, as you’ll see, my question was one of timing. Seems smarter and more efficient to force defendants to choose their form of trial at the outset, and then hold them to it.
From the point of view of the accuser, sure.
From the point of the accused, first you try and beat them in court, then you just kill 'em… but the actually legal-like way looks a bit neater :).
Since the rule was drafted to help the warrior caste do away with legal proceedings, it’s only natural that it favours the accused IF he’s a fighter (or knows any).
None of which I was really able to interpret. (Hey, I’m a dude and bad at reading faces even for a dude.) Not at all sure what she was thinking.
Actually, he’s wanted for treason/cowardice in battle; a few incidental murders while a fugitive are hardly worth mentioning.
I would pay money to see this. Wait–I am paying money to see this. HBO, are you reading this? Tyrion vs. Cersei, one-on-one, no disqualifications, in the Thunderdome–as the Hound would say, two cunts enter, one cunt leaves. Make it happen!
Incidentally, as to (apparently) being able to demand a trial by combat at any time–it does seem a bit odd. But <fanwank> maybe it makes sense because this is seen as a way to short-circuit an unfair trial. I.e., you go to trial hoping for the best, you see you’re getting railroaded, you invoke your right to TbC and let the Gods sort it out. </fanwank>
This was my exact thought after thinking about it right after watching. Of course that came to me after thinking there’s no way they’d get rid of such a popular character. Heh.
… So you haven’t been paying attention to this show, like, at all ? 
I think the reason it works is that you have to fight the duel yourself unless you can find someone to champion for you. That’s what happened with Tyrion up in the Veil, which is how he got Bronn on his side.
So you can go through a trial (even a farce of a trial such as this one) and your options are:
- you’re found innocent
- you’re guilty and maybe spend a few years in jail
- You plead for mercy and get to head up to the Wall
- you’re found guilty and sentenced to death.
But when you opt for a trial by fighting, your options are pretty much limited to kill or be kill. So it’s a pretty big risk to announce you want to go for it, even if the trial isn’t going like you planned.
Ned aside, who else have they gotten rid of that was THAT popular? Joffrey’s probably the closest, but in the “love to hate” camp. I don’t think anyone really cared that much about Robb Stark and his crew very much. I’m drawing a blank on anyone that’s remotely close to Tyrion.