Yes, exactly. This show is not about candy, puppies and rainbow unicorns. It’s a dark, violent, fantasy drama set in a time period similar to our medieval times. Women were not treated all that well and a woman was expected to perform her “wifely duties” whether she wanted to or not. This has already been shown on this show. Dany had to submit to her husband - was that okay because she eventually decided she loved him and enjoyed sex with him? Margaery did not really seem to love any of her husbands but was quite willing to perform her duties, I think she really preferred not to have to do it with Joffrey but she would have.
Yes, in this day and age what happened to Sansa would be considered rape and unacceptable but this is not real life, depicting it does not condone it, encourage it or make it acceptable. Getting all up in arms and horrified by a show that HAS DONE THIS BEFORE and is known to be violent and cruel to its characters is a bit silly. You’ve been watching a show that is at times soft core and torture porn, the moral outrage at this point is a bit misplaced. I think the real issue is that whether or not people liked the Sansa character she’s been through hell already and she was probably the most empathetic character left and people just wanted her have things go her way for a change but this is Game of Thrones and that rarely happens. Dramatically, this could be a real turning point for her character and it could also be a impetus for the redemption of another character. Dramatically, this makes perfect sense.
The question is not one about condoning rape. It’s not even one about depiction of rape. It’s about using violence against a woman (primarily) as a catalyst or motivation for a man’s story. That’s the kind of objectification that I believe is being objected to.
The first criticism I read about this primarily complained that the scene focused on the effect of the rape on Theon and panned away from Sansa’s reaction.
Interesting find: my family surname used to be Cockmerchant, but I always thought it was about roosters. It explains our crest motto “The dwarf must be alive if you want full price”.
The title of the episode is “Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken”
I think despite what Sansa or any of them went through this episode they will all be fighting back.
Sansa got married and discovered her new husband is a mega asshole.
Oleana has 2 kids imprisoned by fanatics
Tyrion and Jora in deep with some slavers
Jamie and Bronn captured in someone elses castle mid kidnap attempt.
Out of all of these the one that makes little sense in the face of the title is the Jamie and Bronn, but I think that has mostly to do with the fact that they brought the old A-Team directors on board for that story line.
When i watched the scene i thought they were focusing on Theon because focusing on Sansa during that would have been too much even for HBO, not because it was “about him”. All the Winterfell scenes during the episode were about Sansa, not Theon. We are yet to see where this goes, it seems very premature to claim the whole thing was just a catalyst or motivation for him rather than her. It very well might be that this is what pushes him from Reek back to Theon, but the preview for next episode implied otherwise.
I did not see that complaint anywhere. That is even sillier since it’s just an assumption, we don’t know yet if it’s the catalyst for the man’s story. Assuming a directorial decision to pan to Theon makes it his story is a bit ridiculous. Having him in the room was supposed to show how messed up Ramsey is and since Theon was in the room he has to have a reaction and we have to see it. We saw and heard Sansa’s reaction, too. Why can’t they both have some reaction? Are those who think this operating on information from some other source? Even if there were another source (which there isn’t in this thread), we would not know for sure what’s going to happen in the TV show unless upcoming scripts or episodes have been leaked again and that would make this spoiler info.
Are you sure about this? Because there are people in this thread correcting others spelling of characters names. I’m pretty sure those spellings don’t appear anywhere on screen.
It is Sansa’s story, Theon’s reactions were shown in order to make the scene seem worse. What you can picture in your mind is worse than what they can show on TV. That is why it was so effective. What happened to Dany at the hands of Khal Drogo was probably worse but that was shown and so did not seem as bad.
This. I’s not like Game of Thrones has shown any reluctance at all to show nudity and sex in the past. But they do have to contend with the age thing and actresses who play central characters who get all snooty about nudity (Emilia Clarke, looking at you).
(1) its not necessarily an assumption. The viewer gets to decide what he or she is seeing without having to refer to confirmation by creator. The work stands on its own.
If on screen it looks like the scene is playing primarily to show us Theon’s reaction to the rape rather than Sansa’s, then that’s enough basis to make a conclusion.
You don’t have to have knowledge of future episodes to say that in this scene, the rape was played more for Theon’s reaction rather than Sansa’s.
I won’t say that that’s definitely what’s happening but that’s what the argument about.
(2) even if it’s an assumption—even if it’s one that turns out to be wrong when you go beyond this episode—it’s not a ridiculous one. There just too much history in our culture regarding this issue backing this up. Just look at Anita Sarkeesian’s work for loads of examples.
Well, then, it’s all subjective opinion. You and some others seem to think it’s all about Theon. Then there are others, like myself, who think the opposite and it’s all based on what has so far been depicted on screen. Or we’re at least willing to wait and see what’s going to happen before jumping on the moral outrage bandwagon.
Never heard of Sarkesian. So you’re basing your feelings on what is happening/going to happen based on other works? Or what exactly in our history backs up this issue? And what “issue” are we talking about now? Marital rape or men having to rescue women? I’m getting confused because the thing we’re supposed to be upset about seems to keep changing.