He was revived in a room inside Castle Black, which is on the south side of the Wall.
One would think in the days between his resurrection and leaving Castle Black he might have ascended the Wall to check things out on the other side, or passed through it to visit Ygritte’s grave, which was on the other side.
The courtyard is on the south side of the wall.
Colibri, I don’t know why Beric would have to go north of the wall or if the magic in the wall would prevent him from doing so. I have a feeling that even if he does have to travel to the far north and the wall would ostensibly prevent him, it won’t be an issue. Bran just crossed through, and he’s already destroyed one magical barrier by his presence. The Wall’s coming down one way or the other.
Imagine if Tyrion, Jon, Danny AND Arya were all killed in the same episode.
Winter would come for the Internet. :eek:
And Sam ends up on the Iron Throne!
I totally disagree about it being unrealistic. Edmure is indeed the legitimate lord, so by default, they should follow his orders. If they don’t they should have a good reason not to. As long as Edmure is held prisoner, following the lead of the next in line makes sense. But once he’s back, why wouldn’t they follow his order to lay arms? If they don’t, besides having refused to obey to their legitimate lord, they’re going to die in an hopeless siege. If they do, not only they do the “right” thing, but also they get to live, presumably as soldiers or bannermen of the Freys. If their lord himself doesn’t appear to give a shit about losing the castle, why should they? Why would they want to fight and die for a castle their lord himself wants to be handed to the Freys? Just because a stubborn relative of the lord really cares about it and wants to fight to the death?
I see no sensible reason why they would refuse to lay arms.
As queen, yes. But she can be considered the lawful Lannister heir, since Tyrion is missing and/or a murderous traitor, and Jaime wows prevent him from inheriting, if I’m not mistaken, and anyway he doesn’t question his sister’s takeover. So, I think she does have a right to command the only forces that matter in King’s Landing : the Lannister army and Lannister vassals.
Given what we’ve seen of the Freys, you would have to be a complete idiot to surrender to them (as you would to the Boltons). If they had any sense, they would fear being slaughtered after they surrendered. A Frey’s word would never be trusted. Even if they felt they could trust Jaime (but there is no reason they should do so since the Lannisters planned the Red Wedding), the Freys might renege as soon as he left. As to why the Freys would do so, they could never count on the loyalty of the Tully men, so they might as well kill them to forestall any further revolts.
I don’t think they do since Tommen released him from the Kingsguard, and before that Tywin wanted him to resign and become heir of Casterly Rock.
I want to get back to the questions of legitimacy and inheritance of titles in Westeros. I thought that the label of bastard only applied to a child that was born of a mix of high and lowborn parents, so John Snow, son of Ned Stark and an unnamed lowborn Southern woman would be a bastard, but John Snow, son of Rhaegar Targaryen (sp?) and Lyanna Stark is not a bastard. To add to this, Lyanna was betrothed to Robert, but not yet married. Do we know when the Mountain killed Elia Martell in relation to when Rhaegar knocked Lyanna up? If Elia was already dead, and Rhaegar found someone to do a wedding ceremony, wouldn’t John’s claim to the throne be stronger than Daenarys’?
I’m pretty sure it was during the sack of King’s Landing which would have been about the same time as Jon was born, maybe a week later since Ned only just arrived after the death of the Mad King.
I tried to find you the thread but the SD search engine isn’t working for me. Not that I can’t find the thread, the engine keeps telling me it can’t do that right now. Kinda like HAL, only less creepy.
Anyways, it could actually be the thread on the episode when The Hound and Arya hit up the man and his daughter. I know it was when the War of the Five Kings was raging and the peasants were starving and your fellow Dopers went on a multi-page heated discussion on whether there were enough potatoes to feed the population. And then whether there were even potatoes at all in Westros.
It may have spilled over to the non-show only discussion thread and reared it’s ugly head in following episode threads. It was Straight Dope pedantry at its finest.
Because of the context. So, back before the show started, Cat’s father (Hoster Tully) was the lord of Riverrun. The Blackfish was his grizzled brother. Edmure was his son and heir.
Hoster dies. At the funeral, Edmure is unable to fire an arrow into Hoster’s funeral pyre canoe despite multiple attempts. The Blackfish does it in one. The Blackfish is awesome, Edmure is a bit of a loser.
Then they become allies with Robb Stark. Edmure screws up a battle by disobeying direct orders, and potentially throws away the entire war. (Admittedly this may not be widely known.) Edmure is even more of a loser.
So Robb Stark arranges a marriage between Edmure and the Freys (up until then, bannermen of Riverrun). The Red Wedding happens, the Tullys are scattered to the winds, most of them slaughtered, Robb slaughtered, Edmure captured (like a loser), the Blackfish escapes.
So, what does the Blackfish do? He rallies the Tullys (like a boss), retakes Riverrun (like a boss) and spits defiance in the face of the hated traitorous guest-slaughtering Freys and their kingslaying allies, the Lannisters.
So now the Tullys have some pride again, thanks to the Blackfish, who was always the most awesome one of them, and the only reason they have anything at all.
So now, Edmure (the loser) is suddenly released from dank captivity, during which time he was subjected to god knows what tortures and brainwashed in god knows what horrible fashion, and shows up at Riverrun, and despite having never really been the lord of anything, and never accomplished anything in his entire life, and having been captured, and having not been seen for years, he gives the order to surrender. Which of course soldiers never want to do, because of pride. And they are surrendering to basically the least trustworthy people in history, laying down their arms, giving up all pride, and putting themselves in the clutches of their mortal enemies. Because a loser says so. And an awesome dude who has saved them for years says not to.
I don’t buy it at all.
Just found out that one of the other Lannister soildiers was Pete Postlethwaite’s son. Now go google him if you don’t know the name (which, btw, is impossible to spell), watch the scene again (admit it. The singing was nice) and you’ll know which one he is.
I didn’t participate in that thread since that season I was still catching up on DVD, but my understanding was that one of the issues was that potatoes were a New World crop, and wouldn’t have been found the medieval England on which the show is (mostly) based.
I got jumped on in a later discussion when I had the temerity to mention as interesting that sigil that Littlefinger chose, the Mockingbird, was also not found in the Old World. 
I have never heard that, and as far as I know nothing like that has been brought up in the show. What makes a child illegitimate is that its parents are not married.
In practice, it seems that all acknowledged bastards mentioned on the show are the offspring of a nobleman and a commoner woman.
Robert’s rebellion was provoked by Rhaegar’s abduction of Lyanna. Rhaegar was killed in the Battle of the Trident before the Lannister troops reached King’s Landing, so he died before Elia did.
Winter is here. If those soldiers are stuck in that castle for a two-year siege their families will starve to death. They probably will anyway, but at least they’ll be home to try and keep them alive.
No they won’t. If they are surrendering to the Freys, they will most likely be dead, and they know it.
I can imagine a situation in which a charismatic leader convinces them that he has worked out a safe passage with Jaime Lannister (vaguely more honorable than the Freys), and that it’s what their families would want, no point in throwing away their lives, yada yada yada. But that is not what happened. At least not on screen.