So Arya is dead and it’s really the Waif?
No, they’ve just been completely retarded and inconsistent on the faceless men plotline.
Are they some sort of religious cult trying to restore balance to life and death, or are they assassins for hire and don’t care who they kill as long as they’ve been paid? They’ve played it both ways.
Does Arya get to use her faceless powers to check people off her list as Jaqen promised her when he tried to recruit her, or does she have to become nothing, give up all her identity, and therefore not have a list to follow?
How do they take the faces? We’re shown that dying people come to them to donate their bodies/faces, and that they prepare the bodies and even cut off the faces, suggesting that we need an actual face to work with. But then Jaqen is shown Arya’s face underneath one of his various faces when she’s still alive. I suspect it didn’t go any further than “will it look cool?” and no one cared if it made sense.
That whole plotline was wildly inconsistent. I wouldn’t try to infer any solid rules from it.
The only good thing about the whole Faceless plot line is that it gives the writers the option of inserting Nicholas Cage into the cast at some point, if they desire. :eek:
Benjen’s horse returned to Castle Black in one of the earlier seasons, sans Uncle Benjen. It made Jon sad. That was after the two wights were reanimated, I believe.
I think that was Jon’s plan. To kill the Night King and end the war right then. That’s why he ignored the dragon getaway. It was a nice parallel with Jaime trying to end his war against Daenerys with a lance a few episodes ago. Or for that matter Robert v. Rhaegar on the Trident.
It’s an interesting fantasy trope, that with a single sword stroke, one guy killing another guy (or gal, or ancient ice wizard) could immediately end a massive years-long war that thousands have fought and died for. It usually doesn’t happen that way in real life, unless you kill Richard III.
I’m with AK84. It isn’t Arya, it’s the Waif. It has to be. The references in this episode to the “question game” is how the Waif knows everything about Arya. There is nothing that has been shown that can prove that it is either one, but the line “A girl is now Arya Stark, and I am going home” shows that the girl wasn’t Arya Stark before. The biggest question is, which side do the Faceless Men fight for? If they fight for death, are they on the same side as the White Walkers? Arya/Waif going around killing whole houses of Westeros can help the White Walkers immensely, and if sh sows dissent in the others houses, so much the better! We will see.
The bittersweet ending is that Dany wins the popular vote but Cercei carries four of seven kingdoms and wins in the College of Maesters.
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Ok, so I’m firmly in the camp that this episode is among the worst ever for the series. However, I’m going to try to fanwank the main plot.
It seems clear that this was a setup by the Night King to get his hands on a dragon. Seems likely that the dragon wight is necessary to bringing down the Wall. Given that, it looks like the NK chose his spot carefully and deliberately aimed to kill the dragon in such a way as to immediately sink it in the lake so it couldn’t be burnt. That’s why he went for the flying Valerion rather than the stationary Drogon. And it explains having those giant chains on hand (although not where they came from). So how did the NK get our heroes to the right spot? It was Sandor’s vision in the flames that led them there. And the Lord of Light is the one who’s been protecting these characters and bringing them back from the dead so they can get to this spot (despite their own stupidity that keeps getting them killed). My theory is: the LoL and all the visions in the flames and all His miracles have all been the NK all along. He’s been prevented from acting directly in the South by the Wall but he’s been sending visions to manipulate the situation for years, probably going all the way back to the events that led to Jon’s birth and Dany’s fire-obsessed father’s madness. The NK isn’t just mindless evil; he’s playing the game of thrones too but just much, much better than any other character. Now he’s got everything he wants: dragon to get through the Wall, huge army of dead wildlings (helpfully killed by Nights Watch), weak and divided southerners, southern leaders given to big heroic actions because they think they’re destined for greatness but just feed the army of the dead. The NK probably let them fly away because they can do more damage to their own side. The only things that I can see stopping the NK are Littlfinger “chaos is a ladder” Baelish going off script or possibly if the many-faced god of death is a real thing maybe his littlest servant can help. On the other hand if the opposition to the NK is the God of death, maybe the white walkers turn out to be the good guys all along.
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Why would the waif come to Westeros to kill Walder Frey, then head down for Cersei only to change her mind and head home to go see her family?
Everything we know both thematically and logically contradicts that idea. There’s no way that’s going to be the twist.
The waif had zero reason to go after Walder Frey.
Plus the waif’s carved off face was on that column.
I think Rhaegal is doomed. He either gets killed by Viserion, the NK or dies at King’s Landing.
Jorah is also inevitably doomed to make way for Jon.
I don’t think so. “A girl is now Aray Stark” is just a reference from her shedding her former self and then rising up again, phoenix-like from the ashes. The Waif wouldn’t go off and do the things Arya has done since she left the Faceless Place.
Could be that Arya is still actually on her way to King’s Landing while the waif is in Winterfell (if faces can be of living people).
Waif’s face on the column means nothing since “the waif” could have been someone else wearing that face while interacting with Arya. We don’t have to have ever seen her true face (though knowing Martin, it would definitely be a previously seen/named character).
I don’t think this is necessarily the twist, but it would be better than what actually seems to be happening.
My impression was that Littlefinger suggested getting Brienne out of the way so Sansa would be free to act against Arya without Breinne interfering. That has the duel purpose for Littlefinger of keeping Brienne from interfering with anything he does against either woman. Breinne even warns against Littlefinger when she is being sent away.
Maybe The Waif is Jon Snow. Or Dany. Or the Dead King.
If they really do go down that road, then all is lost. Winter needn’t come anymore.
The waif’s (freshly) carved off face is all bloody.
They worship the god of death. By traveling Westeros killing Lords, ladies, and the entire Frey family, she is doing the work of the Faceless Men, and doing it consistently with what Arya would have done. Like I said in my first post, perhaps the god of Death is on the side of the dead. By killing Lords and Ladies, and sowing discord among the survivors, she is helping the cause of the dead.
I have another WAG theory about how Samwell’s story interacts, also. Sam has the knowledge of John’s parentage available to him. What will he do when he finds out that Dany killed his father and brother? If he, or Gilly, reveal the knowledge at the wrong time, it could cause serious problems for the King of the North. Just another WAG.
Reddit has this retarded theory getting a lot of traction that Arya knows exactly what she’s doing, and is masterminding everything with a one-up on Littlefinger, “playing the long con”.
When some point out how there were a lot of similar theories about the whole Waif/Braavos fiasco, that all turned out to be wrong, they say “Well yeah, but she’s learned from her mistakes! Character development!”
Personally I think there’s zero chance of any next-level shit going on under the surface, just as I thought that with regards to the Waif back then (and was right). It would be nice, and while I’m still enjoying the show, they just haven’t shown they are into that level of plot sophistication. Especially considering how rushed things have been lately.
At least it wasn’t a zombie bear. Even Tormund wouldn’t fuck one of them.
Probably.
I hope so, too, but I suspect she’s just being everyone’s favorite wound-'way-too-tight Stark assassin.
Yeah, he had to know he had zero chance of reaching the NK from there.
Yup - been there, done that: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KeystoneArmy
Not necessarily, but it might be best if he took a fatal “accidental” tumble off a tall Winterfell tower. Sansa can still wrap wee Robin around her little finger and keep the Vale on her side.
Makes about as much sense as recent episodes. That’s the problem, and part of the reason people are mentioning absurd theories. Unfortunately, I think it will be very difficult to resolve a number of these stories in any way that makes more sense than ridiculous fan theories, even if the latter are in jest.
I’d be fine with this.
My favorite line was by The Hound.
“This one’s been killed 6 times. You don’t hear him bitching about it.”
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