Game of Thrones 8.03 "The Long Night" 4/28/19 [Show discussion]

It’s not “by normal means” to melt down a sword and pour the molten metal into a mold. That only happens in fantasy stories, anyway. In real life, you’d end up with a garbage sword if you did that. So, really, no rules about real-life swordsmithing apply here.

And there’s nothing about that scene that tells you how Valyrian steel swords are made or can be remade. It’s not a training video. It doesn’t purport to show you exactly how things are done.

The Dothraki love their Mother of Dragons, especially after she burned all their other chieftains to death. They seem to be totally OK with the whole witchcraft thing (those who are still alive, anyway).

No books, dude.

Huh. We didn’t get around to that until the advanced course - I think it was a 300-level seminar.

Preach it!

To ride a dragon, to fight alongside Dany, to bring the North under her sway, and maybe to give her babies and/or co-rule with her? We don’t know yet.

A girl can always find a more supportive boyfriend.

Correct. My impression at the time was that they were storing it in a basement to keep it a secret. They actually used it in the open field at the battle of Roseroad (Season 7, I think)

Valyrian steel swords are basically +3 vorpal swords. Unless someone on the show says “hey, we can just melt it down and make it into arrowheads or coat our spears with it,” then that’s not an option. There’s no reason to believe that they are analogous to Damascus steel swords.

Ha!

But now I can clearly see the last scene of Game of Thrones.

Sansa: But who will sit on the Iron Throne?
Arya: No one…

Some military analysis of “Team Alive’s” strategy in the battle here. It wasn’t quite as bad as we might think. A lot of the seemingly bad decisions come down to low-odds gambles in the absence of better choices.

And as for fighting outside Winterfell instead of staying within its walls:

When I see that in a move (the Uruks made their weapons that way too) I just assume it’s to help get the right volume of metal committed to the blade–it’ll get hammered and folded & tempered later. Because another problem with casting steel like that is the “up” side of the cast blade will be flat, only the part contained within the mold would have any sword-looking features to it. The “up” side would be as flat as a lake surface, and for the same reason.

Let’s take a vote: What subject of “discussion” was the most useless, distracting and stupid?

A)Reworking Valarian steel
B)Potatoes

C) Whether or not to remove your shoes when entering the Red Keep

Off topic a bit: my understanding of swordsmithing is that folding is only done for a couple of reasons–to even out the carbon content of poor quality steel (like with Japanese katanas) or to meld layers of different metals together. Is this correct?

C) All of the above

It appears to me that the Lord of Light has been playing the long game. He’s been manipulating people lives (usually with abuse) to move them in to place to be at the final battle. (For instance, Bran being pushed out the window led him to becoming the Three-Eyed Raven, who ended up with the dagger and gave it to the one person skilled enough to stealthily use it.) Throughout the series, folks have been told that the bad things that happened to them led them to where they were. Yeah, the Lord of Light is a dick but he did manage to kill the Night King. So I’m curious if he still has a part to play in the rest of the series or if that was his only purpose and he will quit being an asshole now.

D) The fate of a dumb wolf

Nevermind.

Was Gendry shown during the battle at all? I don’t remember seeing him. I get the feeling he might be a surprise death not shown until next episode.

He was up on the wall smacking zombies on the head with his rather large hammer as they attempted to climb up.

The show has suggested that Gendry was going to be significant, because he has royal blood. Of course, that was in the days when someone with royal blood could be used to do magic and I think the show is stepping away from that (especially as Melisandre is gone).

But perhaps as a child of Robert Baratheon, he has a claim on the throne? Is the show going to end with a court case to decide who has the strongest claim?

Gendry was shown in the battle many times. He started off on the front lines, then miraculously made it back into Winterfell, where he miraculously survived many pile-ons of dead things, like the other main characters.

I used to think it would be kind of pat to have Gendry and Arya fall in love. I was sure that this being Game of Thrones, Arya’s boinking him the night before was a guaranteed death sentence just like Brienne’s knighting. But that’s the old Game of Thrones. Now I think the TV series will probably end with Daeneris on the throne, Sansa in Winterfell, and Arya and Gendry leaving to explore the world like Arya always wanted. Because wouldn’t that be cute. Brienne and Jamie will see them off at the dock, with some wisecrack by Ser Davos being added in for a laugh. As they sail out of the Blackwater bay on their grand adventure, Daeneris and Jon will swoop in beside them on their dragons, laughing and waving, then the dragons will turn away and the ship will sail into the sunset, and all the magic will leave Westeros with them.

Or maybe I’m thinking of another movie. It’s getting hard to tell them apart.

Wouldn’t that be fun. Last episode is a Law & Order: Westeros edition.

Though Gendry is still a bastard. A King could legitimize him, and perhaps if Jon takes the throne, that’s what he’ll do and give him Storm’s End. But before that, I don’t think he really has any claim on the throne.

My theory is that Gendry is the child Cersei talked about who “died” (she never saw a body). So he is the child of Robert and Cersie, which makes him the legitimate heir to the throne. I think Jamie is the one who took him and hid him away in Flea Bottom, maybe because he didn’t want Cersie to love Robert’s child. When he finds out that Gendry is Robert’s bastard, Jaime is going to realize who he is.