On the first two watches I wondered what the fuck he thought yelling at him was going to do. After watching again, I think he was about to strike out at Viserion at the exact moment Arya made the killing blow. When you see Viserion start to collapse, he is still right in Jon’s face.
I thought when Jon stood up, he was going to face the fire and test his Targeryon way of resisting fire. Having said that, I don’t even know if Dany can handle the blue-fire.
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We saw him burned by a lowly lantern, so for sure testing undead dragon fire would have ended badly for him.
I thought this too BUT since Viserion was now an ice dragon with blue, presumably, ice breath I though we were about to see Jon, as the ice part of ASOIAF, resist ice dragon breath.
Daenerys immune to the fire, Jon immune to the ice ala the Night King withstanding Drogon’s fire. Nice symmetry and we could buy that one.
But noooo. Let’s not have that cool moment. Let’s just have it collapse because Jon’s little sister killed the Night King rather than him because he was faffing about.
I thought he was trying to get in a lucky stab. Based on previous experience, even a short jab with Valyrian steel would have killed Viserion.
Was Viserion breath fire though?
It was blue. Seemed like ice “fire” rather than “fire” fire.
It’s magic. It also has force behind it. You would think if it was ice then the magic ice wall would be immune to magic ice fire. But it got the fuck blasted out of it.
My biggest disapointment is that we wont get to see Cersei facing the NK. Thats what I was hoping the end of the show would be. Somehow the north got sidetracked by the NK and by the time they realize it NK is in Kings Landing having everyone killed and making Cersei suffer and they end up defeating NK just after he kills Cersei to become his queen.
The End.
Ok.
But while many people point out that Jon was NOT immune to fire we cannot know if he could survive Viserion zombie dragon breath since it was not “fire”.
My feeling when watching was he had no where to go and knew he was going to die. He yelled in useless defiance while facing his death.
That’s a question I have. Has it really been established that Daenerys is completely immune to fire? We’ve seen her resist fire twice under extraordinary magical circumstances but has she ever picked up a hot coal or lit a cigar with her burning finger? Has it even been hinted at that all Targaryen’s are immune to fire?
Quite the opposite; when Khal Drogo poured molten gold on her brother’s head, she noted that he was not immune to the heat.
We don’t know necessarily that Daenerys is ordinarily immune to fire. But we do know that she has a super-human tolerance of heat. In one of her first appearances, she felt comfortable in a bath whose water was hot enough to scald others.
Seven seasons of complex story telling and the final season has only six episodes.
They spend two having everyone get together in one place and then quickly tie up some plot lines.
Lots of huggy reunions.
The writers could have gone so, so many cool ways with this and instead opted for bog-standard, tropey and uninteresting resolution.
It is like no one in the writer’s room understood what made the show good and special and tossed it all for an easy, bland resolution.
I really cannot understand how they all looked at this and decided, “Yup! This is awesome! This is the ending fans have been waiting for!”
No way…something broke along the way. I suspect it was writing by consensus which invariably leads to pablum.
True. And Jon isn’t full Targaryen. If I remember correctly there was a lot of incest to keep the line pure like with the Pharohs.
Also true. I forgot about that scene
We have not seen her do all those things but I would say her standing in the middle of two conflagrations and walking out unscathed makes her fireproof. The second one she had no dragon eggs or anything. She just starts the fire and walks out.
Not all Targaryens are fireproof but she is. (We know this because her brother does not do well with molten metal poured on him.)
Yes, in season 1 she picked up dragon eggs out of a fire with no ill effect. Her handmiden saw this and grabbed them out of her hands to protect her, immediately dropping them in pain. They then showed the handmaiden’s hands all burned to shit, and Dany’s hands were shown to be fine.
As far as undead dragon breath, in my nerdy Dungeons & Dragons experience, dragons that go undead don’t change their breath weapon. Black dragons have acid breath, for example, but an undead black dragon doesn’t switch to its “opposite” (electric) damage; that’s the breath for blue dragons.
Similarly, red dragons shoot fire breath regardless if it’s alive or undead, white dragons shoot cold, etc… It would actually be antithetical to the lore if their breath weapon changed when they become dracoliches.
HOWEVER, I recognize that GoT has nothing to do with Dungeons and Dragons or its rulesets, and that just because something is true in D&D doesn’t give it any weight whatsoever in the GoT world.
I still bring this up, though, because in reality, the concept of undead dragons already exists in other contexts, and in the most famous one (D&D) an undead dragon has its same breath weapon as when it was alive. (This is actually a point in favor of the GoT breath weapon changing, since they show it being different after the NK raises it.)
But zombie Viserion has blue breath and live Viserion had red/yellow breath.
We typically associate red with fire and blue with ice.
So unless you want to say zombie Viserion had super high temperature welding breath then it was something else. Or he just made blue colored “normal” dragon breath which would be a bit weird.
Or we can go with him being resurrected by the Night King who is Mr. Freeze in GoT then maybe, just maybe, Viserion got ice powers too.
She and Drogon were blasted with it by Viserion during the first dragon fight and they seemed to be ok.
The blue fire looks cool. It looked cool when it blew apart the wall. I have the feeling that anything beyond that may be overthinking it. It destroyed the ice wall. It didn’t add ice.
I would have to go back and look again. I thought she was able to evade it.