Or Lady Stoneheart kills her as the season end cliffhanger.
In the books they reward her whole family. I don’t see how someone on your side is a loose end. The Red Wedding isn’t really a secret.
Reverse, I can see that. I really think that’s too soon for Lady Stoneheart though. Revenge too soon doesn’t have the same impact.
True, but most Targaryen monarchs barely paid lip service to the Faith of the Seven and blatently disregarded it’s teachings on incest. Baelor the Blessed was a major exception, he extremely devout, wanted to become a septon, and refused to consumate his marriage after his father forced him to marry his sister. After he became king he locked his sisters up in the Maidenvault to avoid temptation and build the Great Sept of Baelor in Kings Landing.
Another help jog my memory question, but I seem to recall that Sansa’s betrayal of Ned in the book was far worse than how it was portrayed in the TV show. In the TV show, she doesn’t get involved until after Ned is locked up, but I seem to recall that in the book, it was Sansa’s going to Cersei that actually allowed her to outmaneuvre Ned. Do I recall correctly?
Yes.
Do you recall which chapter it happened?
I found it. It’s Chapter 51.
So… what’s the deal with that bit with Pod and the whores? Just weird comic relief? If so, it seemed pretty out of place. Or am I forgetting something from the books?
I assume we all assume that the guy “saving” Theon is Ramsey Bolton just engaging in a ridiculous mindfuck?
So if that guy is Ramsay Bolton, I’m having trouble understanding the role of the band of men who were chasing Theon on horseback. If they are Bolton men who are “in on it,” why would they volunteer to die? If Ramsay didn’t give them a choice, why were the engaging in the farce so enthusiastically (like the guy who saw Ramsay and said “you” with a look of disgust on his face). Maybe they weren’t in on it, and actually thought they were chasing Theon for real?
If that band of men aren’t allied with Bolton, who the hell are they? Didn’t the Boltons take Harrenhal and Theon prisoner?
So did the creative team from True Blood direct that cheesy-ass punch-out ending? -cause that’s exactly the style with which episodes of True Blood tend to end.
Jaime losing his hand should have had the hopeless nihilism of a Peckinpah movie. This was pure cheese. We get Evil Dead-style gore in place of the true horror that is Jaime’s despair at having his identity lopped off. Fuck, what a wasted opportunity. Old Sam Peckinpah circa Alfredo Garcia or Straw Dogs could have captured what demanded to be captured in that final scene of attempted rape and dismemberment. Then the rock-out punch-out credits with the version of the bear song. Goddamn, that was HBO at its worst which is why I compared it to true blood. Game of Thrones should be better than this.
So for everyone the last 30 seconds or so of the show was that song, even though Hoat was still talking? I thought something just went wrong with my broadcast
Chop, scream, fade to black, then credits roll and punk version of The Bear and The Maiden Fair starts.
I’ve noticed some comments on other sites about torrents for this episode where the sound messes up at the very end though…were you actually watching a broadcast?
Part comic relief, part setting up the Iron Bank situation.
He likes to rape large women and maim men for spurious purposes. On the other hand, he had a tremendous singing voice.
I loved both versions of the Bear and the Maiden Fair.
So doesn’t Sam the Slayer occur before they get back to Craster’s Keep in the books?
I wonder if Show Sam is going to kill the WW that goes after Gilly’s son in the woods after Craster leaves it? I’d hate it if they took that part out entirely.
I definitely liked the in-show version the best. The melody was good and folksy, and somehow they managed to make the song sound even dirtier than it already was.
Speaking of, I really hope we get Tormund recounting his mid-blizzard tryst at some point. He doesn’t have much character yet, and that would make him really engaging. And it’s just hilarious.
So, when they released Jaime from the tree, my (spoiler-virgin) husband said derisively, “Tell me they’re not that dumb!” I just had to very carefully say nothing and avoid looking at him for the rest of the episode. Then I turned to him and said, “To answer your question: no.”
I love, love, loved the introduction of Edmure and The Blackfish. The flaming arrow scene is a perfect synopsis of Edmure’s character, and I’m glad they introduced him with it. Needless to say, Blackfish is kickass.
It is Ramsay Bolton. See the cast list here. I had to look it up because I was like “WTF?” as well.
My WAG is that Ramsay just sent his men after Theon, and didn’t tell them that he’d be hunting them as well. The book pretty well tells us that the Bastard is a masochistic loony, to the point that he makes Joffrey look like a nice guy.
I think they’re filling in the bits of what happened to Theon that were only alluded to in the book. It makes sense; they couldn’t really just have Theon disappear for 2 seasons per the book, and it’s a good bit of story to flesh out. I’m looking forward to seeing just how insane they make the Bastard; so far, it’s pretty frikkin’ insane if it really works out that he’s playing a giant mindfuck with Theon.
Didn’t think the thing with Pod was worth the screen time. Sure, it’s a clever/funny story, but give me more of the real story, not something silly about Pod.
I did very much like both versions of the Bear and the Maiden Fair. Was nice to actually hear the song that popped up in the book so often, and I loved the punk version at the end. Very fitting to throw headbanger music at us after they cut Jaime’s hand off.
Was NOT expecting to see that bit quite so soon, though. But the minute Vargo/Locke (they renamed him for the show I guess) said to bring him a knife, I knew it was coming.
Oh I almost forgot: Not sure where Mellisandre is going, but she did mention that there were others with Stannis’s blood that she could use as a sacrifice. I’m wondering if they’re going to skip the Baratheon bastard that Stannis has (I forget the kid’s name), and have Melisandre go steal Gendry away and use him as a stand-in. It certainly would work; Gendry sort of disappears for a couple of books, and he’d work fine for a hostage and I can see the Onion Knight trying to protect him the same way he protected the bastard-without-a-name.
Stannis never had a bastard. You’re thinking of Edric Storm from the books, who was just another one of Robert’s bastards, albeit the only one that was “recognized” and raised in a castle, probably because his mother wasn’t just some whore.
And yeah, from what I’ve seen/read about, Gendry will work as an Edric substitute.
Mel did say something about needing the “blood of a king,” this episode before she left, so I’m assuming that means we’ll get the leeches scene.
That’s what I meant - when I said “had” I meant it in the sense that he had him in custody, not that it was his bastard son. He was Robert’s bastard, and yeah, Edric Storm was the name I couldn’t remember. Edric has Stannis’s blood in the sense that they are both Baratheons.