IIRC she was released but not off the hook. Just “paid her bail,” but still has to go to trial. I got the impression that the High Sparrow doubts the charges though, but isn’t going to throw them out without some investigation. He may be a crazy fanatic, but he’s no fool.
If I recall, Lancel was barely involved though. It was one of the Kettleblacks who had been tortured and confessed.
I can’t remember if Lancel admitted to sleeping with Cersei or getting Robert killed in the books, he is religious, but not sure of involvement. That seems to be much more on the table in the TV version…
So, you’re saying that it could be Moonboy for all we know?
This is dripping with Awesome.
Have you & I been watching the same show? 
Yeah, there’s no need for HBO to turn GoT into torture porn. Anymore than they already have. Remember, the books rarely actually portray the torture, just hints at it.
The first part of this article finally identifies why the Ramsay/Sansa rape scene felt so off to me. I’m not going to go as far as the link Push You Down provided, but I do agree that the scene felt bad because it was completely unnecessary and out of character - it happens only because Littlefinger is a moron. Apparently the show runners are saying that Show Ramsay isn’t well known for being a psycho like Book Ramsay is.
I suppose you could say generally she’s doing the same thing, but in the books we know that her quest never leads her anywhere (to the girls). In the show, she’s located Sansa, is following closely (heck, they actually interacted) and will likely interact with her again in later episodes. That’s a big difference.
Wait a second. This show showed us incest and attempted murder of an innocent child in the first episode. It’s had dozens of murders, poisonings, shown people’s flayed bodies and shown the torture and castration of Theon / Reek in detail. All of those were ok with not much protest, yet showing rape is creepy and just for shock value? WTF?
You are literally saying that showing rape is worse than showing torture and castration. All of the above things and worse happened in history and still happens during warfare today, go read about ISIS current techniques.
In the books Jeyne Pool is raped, repeatedly, and TheMarySue and others seemed to have no problem with it. Yet somehow because it’s Sansa getting raped its unacceptable? So your problem is not that it showed a rape, its that the wrong person got raped? WTF? again. They showed Sansa’s face, then cut to Theon / Reeks reaction and just showed sound. You can’t say yet if this is necessary for the plot or not, because we don’t know yet the after math of it. We’ll find that out in the next few episodes.
The argument, IIRC, is that, unlike murder and torture, rape is seen as “not a big deal” by too much of society, and this is just one of many steps “normalizing” it.
I agree, I wrote this on another forum:
Edit: Woops, how did I end up in this thread? Must’ve clicked it off the CS page and went to the last post. Anyway, I probably won’t be here for any replies, since I’m generally not participating in this thread.
I think that article makes two assumptions:
(1) Littlefinger really truly cares about Sansa’s wellbeing
(2) Littlefinger has a modern sensibility concerning marital rape
(1) is questionable at best, and (2) is almost certainly flawed. From his perspective, she’s a nobleman’s daughter. What happens to nobleman’s daughters? They get married off to someone they don’t particularly like and start having babies. That’s the way life is. That’s what Sansa has presumably known was going to be her fate since she was born.
Sure Ramsey is a fair bit worse than average, but Littlefinger also presumably thinks that it’s only going to be temporary, because either Stannis or the Knights of the Vale are going to defeat the Boltons soon.
It’s also possible that Littlefinger knows a fair bit about Ramsey but assumes that the fact that Sansa is so incredibly valuable means that Roose (who is always prudent and careful) will ensure that Sansa is treated humanely enough that she’s not going to end up killing herself or anything of that sort.
Yes, and thus- why is this rape?
Wait, are you saying that you don’t think that what we saw on the screen was rape?
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Was it rape in a medieval society?
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Why would you say it’s rape today?
It’s rape as defined by US laws since the 1970s and no doubt rape as it’s seen by the vast majority of western show watchers. It would not have been considered rape by people of Westorosi culture assuming their laws and morals were similar to the middle ages in europe.
Probably not, but how is this relevant? It wouldn’t have been rape in medieval society if Ramsey had punched her, tied her up, and penetrated her while holding a knife at her throat. Husbands effectively owned their wives.
Because Sansa did not give clear consent, and she was not in a position in which she could give consent – she is both underage and there is an implied threat of force if she doesn’t cooperate.
Do you actually believe that wasn’t really rape?
Almost certainly not, although I’m sure the Reek-hanging-around-watching aspect of it would be frowned on by polite medieval society.
Absolutely.
I’m not sure what point you’re making, however.
look it’s rape as we, the viewer, sees it, I think we all agree on that. The problem is, is it acceptable to use rape as a device for character and plot development given our modern sensibilities?
I’m taking no position on that, but what I don’t understand is that in the books Reek being forced to watch Ramsey rape Jeyne Pool was clearly a necessary part of the plot to force Reek to take some action and to advance his plot. it’s hypocritical to think the books are acceptable but somehow think what the show does is unacceptable just because a different character gets raped.
Note that marital rape wasnt a crime until a few decades ago.
Even so in the USA a person can get married as early as 16 (even earlier in some cases). If a 16yo gets legally married in the USA, you mean the husband will be raping her until she turns 18?
And if it is rape, then Margaery raped Tommen. He’s only 9 years old in the books, and what- 13 in the TV series? Definitely underage.
I am not saying it wasnt rape. I just am wondering why everyone agrees it’s rape. My point is- in the context of the period- it wouldn’t be rape.
Hell, in current morals & laws sex with those kept in forced bondage slaves and prostitutes would be rape. Why is no one getting irate over those sex scenes?
Hell, just about every sex scene in the TV show is “rape”.
Why is this one so different?
No idea what this has to do with the show.
Yes, very possibly.
That’s a point that no one challenges, and no one else seems to care about. What that period (the historical analogue) considered “rape” doesn’t matter to me with regards to what is actual rape.
Probably because they didn’t involve a sympathetic major character (except for Dany in S1E1, and I recall a lot of complaints about that one).