Coach and eternal guiding light, Gary Barnett was asked to comment on this horrifying ordeal and he said:
*“It was obvious Katie was not very good,” Barnett said. “She was awful. You know what guys do? They respect your ability. You can be 90 years old, but if you can go out and play, they’ll respect you. Katie was not only a girl, she was terrible. OK? There’s no other way to say it.” *
More on the story, and the absolute shock at his statements can be found here
That’s right folks, the lesson to be learned from Gary Barnett is: if you’re not good at football, we can’t help it if you get raped, no doubt a common form of punishment for a missed extra point.
I know that there is no correlation between football and loutishness. I know that there are many upstanding, intelligent, even cerebral people who are involved with professional football. Why do I sometimes feel that I’m the only one who does?
More than that, Barnett’s comments seem to suggest he knew at least about the harrassment, or would’ve given it a free pass had he known, since he considers it an acceptable part of the game.
Something tells me Hnida is lying about this for financial gain. Why wouldn’t she go to the authorities about this? Why would she endure the harassment day in and day out without leaving. If a situation is unbearable, you can stay and put up with it or leave, period. You cannot change others, only yourself and your situation.
Also, football is a male sport and she had no business playing there, it was a publicity stunt. Any woman who plays men team sports has a screw loose or is a butch.
Wow, that’s an attractive attitude there, Black Oak. Obviously, she wants money. That’s why this came out now. Cause she wants money. That makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:
As they said on Tony Kornheiser’s show this morning, if she was so bad, why was she kept on the team? Did the AD say to keep her on? I’m surprised Barnett still has his job tonight.
Black, it’s certainly a possibility that she’s lying. Hell, it’s possible O.J. really didn’t do it. Anything is possible, and that’s why there’ll be an investigation into her allegations. As to why she didn’t just leave, well, I don’t have an answer to that, except to remind you that many times people remain in abusive relationships when they could “just leave.” That’s doesn’t make the abuse alright. I agree that we can only change ourselves and not others, but it’s not always easy to change ourselves. It’s not a simple situation.
As to football being a male sport, so far it has been, but that doesn’t mean it has to remain so. If she wanted to try, she had every right to try. If she wasn’t a good player they were under no obligation to keep her on the team any more than a man who wasn’t any good.
By the way,
is a fallacy known as a false dilemma. It suggests there are only two options to choose from when in fact there are more. A woman who plays a men’s team sport may be quite good at the sport and neither crazy or gay.
Something’s going on in Colorado right now. ESPN is reporting that the team is having a meeting as we speak and that there’s supposed to be some kind of press conference at midnight.
Arkansas, if football is a “man’s sport,” does this mean that Colorado and New Mexico can’t count the points she has scored?
She has.
Courage – and maybe a conviction that she shouldn’t be the one who should have to leave. But eventually she did.
You have just described either a slave or a coward.
As for the coach, the President of the University was interviewed on one of the early morning news programs. When she was asked if the coach’s job was secure, she responded that not even her own job was secure. That sounds hopeful.
Will the coach apologize? Say that he was misunderstood? Say that he was quoted out of context? Resign? Be fired?
I’m glad that something is being done and that the President has made it clear that what he said is unacceptable. I wish that it weren’t paid leave, but since an investigation is underway, I suppose that is appropriate.
I do not doubt she was harrassed, nor do I doubt she was raped, but I doubt the coach said anything that could be reasonably paraphrased “if you’re not good at football, we can’t help it if you get raped”
That’s just irresponsible, jarbabyj. It’s an unnecessarily cheap shot. The guy is an ass, and he is running a program that recruits with serious moral deficiency, but do you really believe he meant “can’t play football = rape away boys”?
Or maybe a reporter asked him if she was cut from the team because of harrassment or because she was a girl or because she complained and that is what came out of his mouth.
Go ahead and pit the guy. He deserves it. Even his comments that were taken in context and not unreasonably distorted make him an asshole. His attitude that it is her word against the program’s and nobody that was in the program at the time has corroborated her story - that deserves pitting.
“Her word against ours and no one here is admitting anything. She must be wrong.”
She’s not suing or pressing charges, dumbass. You think she gets money from being quoted on ESPN?
Ah, rape is another of the apparently many things you know nothing about.
She did leave. Notice she’s now playing for New Mexico instead of Colorado?
Where in the rules does it say that?
Anybody who names himself after a third-tier Southern rock band is either a giant fucking asshole with a room-temperature IQ, or… damn, I can’t think of anything else. You’re a fucking asshole with a room-temperature IQ, Black Oak. By the way, she was a homecoming queen and is a rather good-looking woman. Probably way too attractive to come near your stupid ass.
A number of female sports pioneers have been gay. Who gives a flying fuck, you stupid piece of crap? I hate repeating words, and I feel like I’m running out of explanations for what a numbskull Black Oak is. Hopefully somebody will help pick up the slack.
I get the impression Black Oak Arkansasmay not know a lot about women, or at least not the sort of woman we’ve got around here. I am a straight woman who was a tomboy as a little girl and who enjoyed playing “male sports” including football a lot more than the things little girls are supposed to do. I still do, although I’ve given up football for dancing. Running around and playing football and soccer with my brothers was a lot more fun than playing house or playing with dolls. As a grew older, one other advantage occurred to me – you get to meet more guys playing male sports! OK, but if that’s so obvious, how come more women haven’t caught on? I am certainly not gay and, while I’ve admitted to having the odd screw loose, one of the reasons those screws got loose was being looked down on because I preferred baseball to gymnastics.
On to the OP. When this story broke yesterday, I realized I wasn’t surprised Ms. Hnida was harrassed. There are men who believe women don’t belong in certain arenas and who will do everything they can to get them out. Hell, I was reading an article about sexual harrassment in operating rooms yesterday. I’ve had a co-worker do his level best to harrass me (I worked in a different department and I out-ranked him, so as far as I’m concerned it was only attempted sexual harrassment), and he was a Christian minister on the weekends! So, I’m angry, but not surprised. It was less than 30 years ago that I wasn’t allowed to take shop (cooking and sewing were boring!), and attitudes have not changed as much as we’d like.
I would think any woman who puts herself into an environment like Ms. Hnida did is going to be aware that rude remarks will happen, although I doubt she expected she’d be raped. You don’t do such things unless your tough. Barnett’s actually right about some men not respecting a person unless they show ability, but there are others who will not respect a woman attempting to succeed in what they consider a man’s world because to them, a woman, by definition, cannot be good at what she is attempting. The morning paper’s unclear on this, but I got the impression that she came forward because the University of Colorado is continuing to have problems with football players raping women.
I am, to this day, a woman who is far more comfortable with men than I am with women. I’m more comfortable with them and it still seems to me that traditionally male pursuits are more fun than traditionally female pursuits, and that includes professions. I wouldn’t take on these activities if I didn’t think I could cut it and do as well as the guys. I’m willing to put up with a certain amount of chaff, and when it comes to sexual remarks, I give as good as I get, but when I say “No,” I do mean it and I will see it respected. Of course, since I’ve traded football for fencing, rape seems much less likely to happen.
Several recruits filed reports with the NCAA this year that Colorado was using sex as a recruiting tool- ie. getting the players hosting recruits to find them a hooker, or get a girl trashed and stick them in a room together.
I guess I don’t feel too bad about taking cheap shots at such an asshole, but yes, I do believe that he felt she was worth less consideration and/or respect because she wasn’t a good football player, and if that means looking the other way while she’s harrassed and/or assaulted, so be it.
Wow, this thread brings back such memories of playing women’s rugby in high school ! What shit we put up with from the boy’s rugby team and everyone associated with it (except my boyfriend … good thing I never told him about my girlfriend in New Mexico ! ). The only reason we survived is because we weren’t too badly outnumbered …
