That doesn’t necessarily benefit the employees, it just benefits the owner. Is there a spike in Dorito purchases the day before and after the ‘gas out’?
Though I think you’re onto something, do they do that with the gas too?
I was talking about the employees who tend to work at a fixed wage.
Motorcycles have terrible emissions - no catalytic converter.
http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?archive=1&storyid=260&first=4649&end=4648
Oh. Well a gas-out hurts them too–there’s not as much money in the till for them to pinch …
D&R
Turns out we’re both wrong: EPA Report (warning, PDF)
(The report goes on to recommend motorcycle emissions standards which will to some degree offset the projected disparity.)
So motorcycles are currently worse for HC emissions, and about the same as cars or better for all other types of emissions including CO2. Note that even with this EPA report, there’s a serious lack of real hard data - the numbers relate to the emissions *standards * for motorcycles rather than an actual model by model comparison. There is no evidence, for example, on how my '04 fuel injected model stacks up against an inefficient hog (there are models that get worse *mileage * than an SUV - I’m sure their emissions are also much worse. This report averages all models together.)
So - I need to stop calling motorcycles “low emissions” even though they are unquestionably better fuel economy
My suggestion to you would be to refrain from using dubious sources whose author uses phrases like “Buy a Ford Explorer, for Gaia’s sake!” as unbiased cites.
That’s not true in all cases either. You cited 40-45 mpg for your motorcyle, while a Toyota Prius far surpasses that in fuel efficiency.
Fair enough.
I think that far surpasses is a big exaggeration. Where I work we have an active mail list on energy topics and prius owners are often called upon to post their actual mileage. They mostly state they are getting 45 to 50 MPG. This is only a 10% or so improvement.
I’m 6’7’’ and I don’t physically fit behind the wheel of a Prius. I therefore do not include it in my options.
Further, a motorcycle costs a fraction of the cost of a Prius. <On Edit> Also, a motorcycle does not have the battery disposal issues a Prius has. Once you dump your Prius, that battery is going to be a serious environmental issue.
Depends who you talk to. Some owners claim to get up to 100 mpg. If you drive your Prius with a lead foot, it’s not going to get good mileage, of course. At any rate, even teh 45-50 you just cited is better than what he cited for his motorcycle.
And before I forget, the originally question came up in reference to scooters, which get 60-90 mpg.
What does this have to do with whether or not your statement: “[motorcycles] are unquestionably better fuel economy” is true?
But to answer this unrelated issue, I do not include a motorcycle in my options, because the equipment I need for work does not fit on a motorcycle.
Also, I know someone who bought a Geo Metro for 200 dollars, and gets 50 mpg. It also seats 4 adults plus luggage, and is statistically much safer than a motorcycle. A new motorcycle can cost just as much as a car.
And if you have to ride a motorcycle because you physically don’t fit inside a car (and the Prius is a mid-size car and quite roomy, actually), then the other considerations are moot anyway.
It might be the right answer for you, but that doesn’t mean it is for everyone.
In the post I quoted (#65), you wrote “motorcycles”, not scooters. I was responding to that statement, not any other statement.
Here you go: http://www.imz-ural.com/. Costs a fraction of the cost of a Prius, the sidecar has all the room you need for your tools. It’s designed for the Russian winter with a rear drive axle that powers the sidecar wheel, so you can even take it on snow and ice. Enjoy.
Well, it *can * cost as much, yeah. A designer bike from Orange County Choppers might run you six figures, and I doubt it’s very efficient. On the other hand, you can get a brand new Honda Rebel for $2500, and their owners claim 70mpg.
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Sure. Same can be said for the Prius.
This is silly - Nowhere in post 65 do I say that my motorcycle gets 40-45 mpg. I said it in post #59, where I also mentioned the scooter mileage.
I’m pretty sure that it benefits the employees if the business stays in business. Are you suggesting that employee salaries should be tied to the P/L sheet? My guess is that they would disagree. What happens in a month/week/day when the business is in the red?
Never mind. No need to answer. Clearly you post simply for provocative effect. Good on ya. Ya got me, Rumplestiltskin.
I didn’t say the Prius was the right answer for everyone. I merely offered it as an example that disproves your statement that motorcycles get better mileage than cars.
I never claimed you said that in post #65. I think you’re a little confused here.
I’m sure there are a few vehicles that have EPA ratings for fuel efficiency that are better than what I get on my bike – but they are few and far between, and cost a hell of a lot more than my Bandit.
Emissions on bikes are also getting better all the time – mostly because Europe is a huge motorcycle market and it has stricter controls than North America. That’s why two-stroke scooters are vanishing, and fuel injection is being introduced on more and more motorcycles.
I still insist that if you’re only doing a 10 mile commute, and you aren’t going on a highway, a 50cc scooter makes a great option. (I’d also like to know where a 50 cc scooter isn’t included in a general car driving license.)
That’s all this thread is about: options to your gas guzzling car. After all, if it was a one size fits all world, we’d still be driving Model Ts!
I am having trouble believing that you are this dirt stupid.
I made a comment about employees not being paid on commission and how a single day of a gas out would not likely affect their wages in any way as they get paid a fixed hourly rate.
I would talk slower but it’s text.
What about my point was so difficult to understand? The person I was speaking to got it. What’s your damage? I’m learning about neurology, please tell me about your condition I’ll look it up, it’ll help me learn the functions of different areas of the brain better for the final, and I learn more when I have a context I can relate it to.
Well, you haven’t disproved my statement. There are motorcycles which get 70 mpg, which beats the hell out of a Prius. There are motorcycles that get worse than 20 mpg, but they’re still better than SUVs. In general, motorcycles get better mileage than cars.
No, I’m not the confused one here. You commented that my bike only gets 40-45mpg , and evaded the comment about scooters getting 60-90 mpg by saying you were only posting in response to post #65. Point out where in post #65 I say that my bike gets 40-45mpg and I will happily concede the point.
On preview: Yeah, what **Barbarian ** said.
Good point - I can only honestly offer in my defense that I read this originally somewhere semi legit, and that was a quickie Google found for me.
Thanks for the MUCH better research and cite!