Can’t even trust your own text message history anymore; swear to God.
This is a horrible fucking idea.
Maybe if it was before it was read by the other person, but up to 30 days?
I’m sure they won’t let users untake other users’ screenshots.
So, this begs a very uncomfortable question. In order to “rescind” a text message, wouldn’t you need to access the phone of the person who received it and delete it from their phone?
Just what we needed, even fewer disincentives to drunk/angry-texting and fewer reasons to stop and think what are you about to write. Bravo.
Not if the iMessage works as a “chat” that is really resident in Apple’s cloud and not in the devices.
Y’know and here I was all these years grumbling that what I wanted was for people to NOT hide that they had received and read the message.
This means that someone could text someone with a threat to their lives, let the person stew over it for a few minutes, and delete it with no proof it had ever been sent.
It says both users will be notified any time a message is deleted, so it’s not really gas lighting. More like deleting a tweet. You can post/text it then delete it and pretend like it never happened, but everyone involved knows it was there. Plus, IMO, more often than not, deleting something like this is essentially admission that you’ve done something you know you shouldn’t have.
That’s what I figured it was going to be. Something where you could delete the message so long as the recipient hadn’t seen it (including any preview that doesn’t mark it as read) yet. Kinda like the old AOL mail. If you sent an email from one AOL user to another AOL user, up until they opened it, you could undelete it. UNLIKE gmail’s unsend feature which simply introduces a waiting period after hitting send, before it actually sends the message, giving the sender a few seconds to change their mind.
If they really want to piss people off, include a notification to the other party(ies) anytime someone takes a screenshot. You know the person doesn’t trust you when they start screenshotting your text messages. I know when my daughter is messaging someone on instagram(?) she gets really pissed when she gets notifications that the recipient is taking pictures of everything because she knows that person is probably intending to use them against her in one way or another.
I don’t have an iPhone, but in general yes. It sounds like apple is saying this won’t be the case anymore. I assume messages are stored locally on your phone, but Apple could just push instructions to your phone to delete the message and it’ll get removed. Doesn’t seem like that would be all that complicated.
If the messages are stored in the cloud, it would just get deleted there and wouldn’t exist the next time you tried to look at them.
Not sure if it makes a difference where they’re stored, but if you can access them in airplane mode, they’re local.
$100 says that they’re not actually deleted, just flagged as not being visible. I’d bet a warrant could gain access to them.
I’m left with the question, exactly what actual problem does this solve?
Horrible idea. Should I now do a screenshot of every received text, which I then file for future reference?
Yeah, 30 days is way too long. The edit window should be only a few minutes, like what is it, 10 minutes on this board? Just enough time to fix dumb typos and such. I don’t know how many times Spellcheck has inserted a really stupid word and I’ve had to text back and say, uhhh, I really meant…(but if I turn off Spellcheck my texting becomes incomprehensible).
So, this will only be Apple phone to Apple phone, I imagine, since there’s no way to get an Android phone to delete the message remotely.
You can already do this in Slack, Telegram, and Signal, at least. Probably Skype, Facebook Messenger, and WhatsApp, I imagine. Snapchat does this by default, right?
So, basically, iMessage will join practically all the rest of the non-SMS messaging apps. However, if you’re really using SMS (like, between an iPhone and an Android phone), I don’t think this will work.
It may allow you to plan sedition without getting caught?
I’m still waiting for an option to rescind missed call notifications.
I can see how this could be problematic for some people in some circumstances, but for someone like me, and no doubt others, this is a welcome feature.
I’m not in the habit of sending inappropriate messages, but sometimes it happens and it would be nice to be able to un-send these types of texts.
For example, a while back I received a text message that simply read “we should get together soon.”
I was over-joyed to receive this message. It was from a woman I dated the previous year and broke up with. I later regretted breaking up, but after so many months I was too embarrassed to make contact again.
But her contacting me gave me the perfect opportunity to apologize for my actions and pledge my desire to re-connect romantically, blah, blah, blah. My reply was a little over-the-top mushy-wise, but I thought, what the heck, sometimes you have to put yourself out on a limb in the name of love. I clicked “Send” and crossed my fingers.
Shortly after sending the message I realized I confused my former girlfriend’s username for someone else—my accountant (a very prim and proper married lady). She wanted to “get together soon” in order to prepare my income tax return. Oops.
I would have paid good money to un-send that message. Instead I had to make a very embarrassing call to a very confused tax accountant. Thankfully, she had a sense of humor.
Ah, yes, thank you. That has to be the same reason why you could never truly delete a text even if you physically removed it from your phone. Well, up to now at least.
First question that comes to my mind is whether or not earlier versions (or the original message) persist on the provider’s servers.
There’s a general rule in database development that you do not allow end users to actually delete. It’s often extended to … you simply do not delete records. You flag them in some way, but retain them.
So I wonder if they would still live on somewhere, and possibly be made available if needed, if only via subpoena.
According to this, you only have 15 minutes to delete the message.
Well, that’s a little more sane. That article refers to the 30 days as the amount of time you can recover a deleted message.
Yeah, ok, if so then that goes a long way to relieve many of my initial issues with the news
Every so often, someone asks that the window to edit or delete one’s posts here on the SDMB be extended, or asks why we can’t do so indefinitely. I suspect that similar reasons for why people would want to be able to edit or delete their texts, and similar reasons why this would cause problems, apply here.